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[CreatingUser]

Thanks for being cool and forgiving me. It's not often I get kudos for being a jerk. 

I've been struggling a lot with learning Linux and finding a distro that works right or that I can work right and I usually can't get decent help from anyone because they're not very newb-friendly on a lot of boards. They seem to have forgotten what it's like to be new or want to pretend that they never were new. Like most Windows/Mac users I had never ever done a lot of things that are expected of a Linux user. I'd never downloaded or installed an OS, used a terminal, thought of the OS and desktop environment or window manager as distinct things, used a software repository, used a package manager, got help from boards etc.

Anywho, I was really irritated at elitist meanies and my own struggling with the learning curve and I shouldn't have aimed my vitriol at someone that's obviously spent a lot of their time trying to make things easier for people like myself. It's dumb to shoot at allies unless I'm trying to lose.

Happy computing,
Creating User

[Jerry]

Your point @CreatingUser about the installer is fair. How you worded it was not. You have apologized and I thank you for that. Many people just bitch and moan, then walk away, so kudos to you There is some history on this issue, and I have looked into the installer at length previously in regard to what you have pointed out. No OS is perfect, each has its flaws. I believe our overall approach, support and inclusion of the community far out-weigh the odd flaw. We are always looking for ways to do things better, and have improved upon dozens of features. We will never stop improving. Cheers.

[CreatingUser]

After rereading my last post and reading your replies, I'd like to apologize to you all, especially Jerry, for being mean. I'm not usually such an a-hole when I not about to murder my computer.

That being said, fixing the installer, removing the checkboxes that ruin things, or at least putting some text on that screen to warn people should be on the list of things to do soon. Just pretend I said that much, much more tactfully last time and that it was more like constructive criticism than newbie rage-quit screaming.

It's cool that you're trying to make a Linux distro for new people. Thanks for putting forth the effort.  It's a much needed thing in a world with Windows 10 in it.  Just keep in mind that stupid newbies like me are totally at the mercy of the on screen instructions. It's not fair to expect us to know  when to ignore them or do the opposite. If following the instructions is a mistake we can't do anything. You don't want to end up pushing newbies away because they assume the rest of LL is as broken as the installer or that Linux is just too difficult instead of giving them an OS they can use and trust. It's difficult to trust a system when your only experience with it has been a failure. If Windows had an installer or other things that wouldn't work because you followed the on screen instructions Linux users would probably never let Windows users hear the end of it.

I like a lot of what I've seen of LL from the live disc. The Lite software repo has useful programs, Systemback looks cool, Lite Tweaks is great, Xfce is very intuitive and customizable, and little things like the My Computer button on the start menu make it feel a little more familar to newbies coming from Windows.  You've succeeded at a making a lot of things good and newbie friendly. Keep up the good work on all that.

Again, I'm very, very sorry for my rudeness and I'd like to thank bitsnpcs and trinidad for being nice to me even though I was a jerk and I'd like to thank Jerry and the LL team for working towards a newb-friendly distro.

[bitsnpcs]

Hello CreatingUser,

Installing may not always be easy as it can be other external parameters making issues.

You are a fiery one  , it can be a good trait to learn fast, just to use directing it.
I can feel your sadness brother/sister CreatingUser, to see and want your Freedom and not to have it yet,  please do follow the good advices given and work with your new community.

Here its a good place to set your virtual tent.

I genuinely do hope Linux Lite is never finished....that it continues to mutate into ever more beautiful incarnations for my fingers to dance with.

[trinidad]

The help maual is available online. Sorry to hear you had a problem installing. I hope you continued with the installation following Jerry's advice even though you were obviously upset. Many features of Linux Lite have that familiar Windows "intuitiveness" that I think you would appreciate if you used the system. I install Linux Lite regularly for people as a service to the elderly community here because I have found it to be the easiest Linux system for them to understand. There are many variables to installing any computer operating system. I am a fairly skillful Windows technician and honestly Windows is a much more difficult sytem to deal with when something goes wrong on a network or a specific system. This is why I generally use Linux tools for my network maintenance chores, and often for repairing Windows installations. I hope you make another effort at installing Linux Lite. The forum here is friendly and one of the easiest Linux forums to get help from. I honestly believe you would enjoy Linux Lite if we could get you through the install. This is not the Debian forum. No one here is going to give you a hard time.

TC

[CreatingUser]

"Linux Lite is a free easy to use linux based operating system that is suitable for people who are new to linux."

"The purpose of Linux Lite is to introduce Windows users to Linux"


These are your slogans you like to put all over your stuff so that noobs like me who have lots of interest in learning Linux but little knowledge will download your "user friendly" OS....

...and then when I spend alllllll day trying to install it (from a live cd that I can't possibly have messed with and screwed up cuz it's ROM) and it wont go or even tell me that it's stopped, much less WHY it stopped or what I'm supposed to do to fix it, the creator of the thing tells me not to check the boxes that he put there and didn't say not to check....... Why would I think that I'm not supposed to check the box? I did what your software told me to do. Your software that's "easy to use" and "suitable for people who are new".
 
You should change your slogan to "suitable for people who know to do the opposite of what the installer says because they're psychic and already good at Linux installs."

It wouldn't make me so mad if you didn't say how new person friendly it was 400 times. THE VERY FIRST THING a new person has to do to even put Linux Lite on their computer IS TOTALLY UNFRIENDLY.

Just be honest. You made an Ubuntu variation with a broken installer that you don't care enough to fix or even put some text on there somewhere to tell us not to click what it tells you to click. You could at least put it in the instruction book or.. I dont know, make the installer work right.

Also, I've installed other things with (what looks like to a new person) the same installer and they all worked fine when I did what they asked and clicked the boxes that said they'd do stuff. What did you do wrong? Why is it different?

Linux Lite looks like it'd be pretty cool if you'd ever finish it.

It's definitely not for new people though. Saying otherwise is lying.

[Jerry]

Don't check any encryption boxes during installation. Set up encryption after installation via the instructions in the Help Manual.

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[CreatingUser]

Thanks for the reply.

1) What particular machine you are installing to
Dell Vostro 400

2) What other OS is on the machine
Win 7 is on sda
I'm installing to sdb with 'choose something else' and putting the Linux boot on sdb

3) What is the install medium... USB or DVD
Live DVD

4) Is this Virtual or HDD direct install
HDD

5) Is this a UEFI situation
BIOS


Also, I checked the boxes for 'encrypt my home folder' and 'install multimedia codecs and stuff'

[trinidad]

To start with you need to post more info.
1) What particular machine you are installing to
2) What other OS is on the machine
3) What is the install medium... USB or DVD
4) Is this Virtual or HDD direct install
5) Is this a UEFI situation

TC

[CreatingUser]

Every time I try to install Linux Lite the installer gets stuck and just says "Creating user..." while the mouse pointer spins around.

The first few times I tried the box at the bottom of the installer window kept showing lines that said something about "ufw block" and a mac address like the firewall was blocking something, so the next couple of times I turned the firewall off.

After that it still wouldn't work.

The box says stuff about entering a password (really? i mean, i'm not even supposed to see whats in the box to know it's asking for one right?) and encryption and it just sits there fooooorreeeeeever.