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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2019, 04:45:10 AM »
 

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It's a space I'm watching closely. With so many developers onboard and it getting lighter by the day, with high configuration, it would be criminal to ignore it.
 


Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2019, 04:54:17 AM »
 

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I guess there is no reason to be ideological about XFCE. The point is, to be professional, though.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2019, 05:55:56 AM »
 

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Memory usage on manjarolinux on virtualbox in live mode and only htop open.
xfce about 720MB memory used
kde about 710MB memory used
gnome about 1500MB memory used task manger used because I had no idea how to install htop
with mint and kde I got about 700MB memory usage too.
Since I have many gigabytes of ram I care about CPU more.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2019, 07:35:24 AM »
 

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@Moltke how I build an OS and get it to such low mb on first boot unfortunately, needs to remain a secret - it's my bread and butter and took literally years to reach a certain point. I haven't disabled any effects yet or done any of my tweaks so I can imagine that we would slip well below 400mb as a final product. The login theme is Sweet SDDM and the desktop theme is just Breeze and Breeze for icons.

Thanks for your answer @Jerry and I wasn't asking as much as a secret, sorry if it sounded like I was,  guess I chose the wrong words, also, I just took a closer and better look at that screenshot and noticed the 5.x on the top, I thought this wasn't that serious, my bad, should've known better. By the way, in my VM running KDE, the RAM usage at boot is around the same as yours. Disabling some desktop effects; minimize, maximize, close and open windows effects didn't change that so I guess it doesn't hurt letting them on, I also use breeze; icons and desktop.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2019, 08:16:58 AM »
 

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No need to feel guilty, @Moltke. Jerry should take your question as a remark of recognition. I mean, when in a restaurant, you asked a staff member for a secret of taste to certain dish - meaning, you liked it - and they told you that unfortunately, this is a secret, coming from years of experience, nobody ought to feel offended, right? On the contrary, such question would be a sign that you may come and eat at the place more often.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2019, 11:06:06 AM »
 

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One of the reasons for making this post was to also gauge how people felt if we switched to KDE. It wouldn't be in 5.x for obvious reasons one being can you imagine rewriting almost an entire Help Manual.... ouch :)

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2019, 11:12:54 AM »
 

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I do think you are not eager to switch to KDE, @Jerry, but I assume you take is as a professional responsibility to observe a field of shared interest, notably for potential profit, but also perhaps for potential competition coming from that direction. Either how, y'know my opinion, if it works, it could be given a shot in experiment, but the point is, whether the difference, is worth the fuss. Personally, if I do not like the KDE for whatever the reason and you offer only in KDE, I would call it an emergency.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2019, 12:07:20 PM »
 

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One of the reasons for making this post was to also gauge how people felt if we switched to KDE. It wouldn't be in 5.x for obvious reasons one being can you imagine rewriting almost an entire Help Manual.... ouch :)

I did consider that.  So it sounds like the earliest chance for us to see KDE on Linux Lite is 2022.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2019, 12:15:39 PM »
 

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Correct. Although, I wouldn't rule out an experimental build sometime between now and 2021. Let's keep this discussion going. It's a massive decision, and I look forward to a variety of responses and views on both sides.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2019, 12:25:32 PM »
 

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Why I'm in favour of a future with KDE.

- It is Windows like
- Massive development team
- Detailed, almost to a point of overdoing it, configurability
- Stunning themes
- Mobile phone management with KDE Connect
- Continuously improving performance
- Konsole, has to be one of the best ootb Terminals available


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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2019, 12:38:18 PM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2019, 12:59:59 PM »
 

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Honestly I think KDE would be a better choice for the future. Wayland is here to stay and I think KDE will seat itself on wayland completely within two years, whereas XFCE may sideline itself on Xwayland over that very issue. I don't care how long Xorg hangs on, maybe forever, and if it develops further great, but application developers are more and more going to choose to develop pure wayland applications as we move into the future. That's where things really stand despite opinions otherwise. Wayland is just better and lighter with modern video codecs and OS security. Chromebook OS already uses wayland with sommelier. LibreOffice has run on wayland for quite some time now and Firefox now builds for pure wayland when available even though some parts still require Xwayland.

What KDE would offer to LL aesthetically is an interface that could be customized to be even more familiar to Windows 10 refugees. I remain of the opinion that LL is still the best starter Linux DE for people newly coming from Windows and I always still install it for newcomers interested in Linux. Some things in the KDE GUI are natively more like the Windows GUI than XFCE will ever be. I also believe, given the LL base is Ubuntu, KDE would offer better DE stability for the near future. It may well be time for change.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2019, 01:50:36 PM »
 

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Plenty of smaller but nonetheless popular distributions out there, did not even feature KDE option at the time when I was searching for a home use Linux. Suddenly, KDE kicks the door in, falls right into favor and everybody jumps on a bandwagon, after years of having the KDE neglected? Sounds efficient, but cheap. I do understand XFCE may not provide a future as bright as KDE, from what is being pointed out in this thread - I am a layman, after all - but some choices should maintain at least an appeal of good taste. I would not be as doubtful if Jerry decided to switch from XFCE to something even simpler, but it is just because KDE seems so promising, that it brings such doubt.

Notwithstanding, I can see why Jerry could opt for the KDE as soon as sensible. XFCE is nothing out of ordinary, while Linux Mint has this fancy 'Cinnamon' thing, next to XFCE and MATE. If KDE is going to be the next best thing for Linux, then going straight for the KDE would win a big edge for Lite, with all other distros wasting part time their energy, maintaining the good appeal of having other flavors available as well.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2019, 01:52:59 PM »
 

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Some things in the KDE GUI are natively more like the Windows GUI than XFCE will ever be
Not so sure about this. KDE requires some learning, and yes, I know there's a lot of documentation available for that but still. XFCE is esier to use and unlike KDE you can customize it in no time without breaking it and ending with an usuable desktop, it happened to me some time ago. I haven't played too much with it this time since I've been trying to figure out how to make kwin and pulseaudio to run at boot, they're both added in autostart but they don't start, have to open konsole and run
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pulseaudio -D so they do. I should mention that this VM has XFCE installed too, don't know if that's creating some kind of conflict within the system cause now when logged to xfce pulseaudio didn't start either. @Jerry  I installed sddm and wanted to try that sweet theme but I got some errors, something about Mail.qml:89:9: type clock unavailable and something else but can't read it in the preview window when running
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sddm-greeter --test-mode --theme /usr/share/sddm/themes/Sweet I don't know if I installed it the wrong way; downloaded the theme from kde.store.org, extracted it and copied it to /usr/share/sddm/themes is that how it should be done? or is there other way? I googled about it but couldn't find anything. BTW, not sure and will have to check but it seems to me that sddm is lighter than lightdm too which is installed in the VM as well.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2019, 02:10:26 PM »
 

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It should be noted here that my decision ultimately considers the future and beyond in regards to this topic. How can we best serve our community when it comes to core software choices?
XFCE , what is it's future? KDE, what lies ahead? What Windows like DE has the most stable, promising and well supported future?
 


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