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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2019, 09:53:38 AM »
 

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" since XFCE is what literally everyone uses"
Sorry no, not even close really.
Very well, but I would be grateful if you could enlighten me some, then, as I believe you do not count in the users going text mode only on servers?
 


Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2019, 11:35:09 AM »
 

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" since XFCE is what literally everyone uses"
Sorry no, not even close really.
Very well, but I would be grateful if you could enlighten me some, then, as I believe you do not count in the users going text mode only on servers?

I think "which DE is the most used" is kind of relative and user-case specific. I love XFCE, if you install it, using something like Debian netinstall, CentOS core or Arch, the download size is about 10mb and the install size is around 35mb; you get a panel, thunar and a couple of other apps (can't remember now). It doesn't ship with the xfce terminal or catfish or whiskermenu or a web browser or ristretto or screnshooter, at least not in Debian and/or Arch, can't remember if it does in CentOS, been a while since I last used it. Kde-plasma-desktop which doesn't install all the KDE apps but a few ones i.e kwrite,  download size is around 150mb and install size is around 350mb. Kde-full download size is around 600mb and install size is around 1400mb. Gnome download size is around 450mb and install size is around the same as kde-full. kde-full and Gnome both install their own apps; video player, music player, web browser, file manager, image viewer, mail client (kmail), terminal and some more stuff. I also wondered few months back what people used and most of the polls and posts I read listed Gnome and KDE as the top 2, one of the reasons is they offer all of those apps by default so people don't have to go and install anything else. I don't like Gnome, it's been a while since I last tried it though but as far as I read on the web it hasn't changed a bit and still is a resource hog, plus I don't really like its design. Some people don't even use a full DE at all but a window manager like openbox, i3, awesome, icewm ... some people don't really choose their DE; if you install Linux Lite is XFCE, if you go with Solus is budgie, Bodhi uses enlightenment, Fedora Gnome (the default one not the spins), KaOS KDE, Linux Mint cinnamon (the default) and there are many others which offer different choices of DEs as well as WMs, yes, in some of these you can install a different DE but sometimes you have to work really hard to make it work as you want it to, as I did to install and use a different DE in LL in a VM some time ago. So no, I don't think XFCE is "what everyone uses" nor I think is KDE or Gnome or any other for that matter, people will use what they see fit best for them, in my case it's been XFCE and from some time now awesome-wm, but like the old saying goes "There's no accounting for taste (my note: and/or needs)"
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2019, 12:07:53 PM »
 

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Thanks, @Moltke, that was a thoughtful explanation. It is really up to Jerry, how will the LL unfold. For my assumption of 'not a number one', I could imagine LL being perhaps a 'number four' Linux distro in terms of casual popularity, in an ideal and very favorable realm, if Jerry literally danced on his eyelids to help this happen, but for how you portrayed the vision of prefabricated distros altogether, I start to believe everyone should actually assemble their own distro, albeit this would not be particularly Windows-folk friendly, right? Anyway, with a mission to intercept the loose Windows folks in mind, at least those Windows folks who have enough of situational recognition to see the possible benefits of using Linux, we may sometimes look like idolizing Windows here around LL. Which is a dangerous trait of appeal in the GNU/Linux world.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2019, 07:34:24 PM »
 

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Most of the newbie-friendly desktops choose Xfce or Cinnamon, but an old favorite - PCLinuxOS - has always been KDE and other desktops were used to make it lighter for those with modest hardware.  Perhaps that won't be necessary soon. 
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2019, 09:48:32 PM »
 

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" since XFCE is what literally everyone uses"
Sorry no, not even close really.
Very well, but I would be grateful if you could enlighten me some, then, as I believe you do not count in the users going text mode only on servers?


No, one cannot count text - minimal - only, that is without a desktop interface, besides most servers(RHEL/CentOS) I do believe have either KDE or Gnome for a desktop GUI. Minimal no GUI.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2019, 11:01:40 PM »
 

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Right here on this very website, there is an advert for 'Linux Mint', among else, showing up. 'Mint' comes only in three flavours, as for now. Should we take one of the most indie pop distros, that has adverts flying over the web, as a measure of what actually is rad and what a matter of convention? Like, once I asked Jerry to allow choosing a default web browser at the Lite install, assuming that FireFox may not be the choice of everyman already, therefore perhaps even to swap FireFox for something else. Jerry said somewhere that he could not, for the reasons I describe purely as conventional. You see, to take convention for the choice of public, is actually a mistake. But with KDE breakthrough, these may both merge. Maybe even there will emerge one day an ultimate face of a Linux distro, composed only of 'the rightest' things, who knows?
 

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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2019, 11:33:21 PM »
 

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I want us to shift from our personal experiences to what are the advantages/disadvantages to future users (Windows Mac converts) of a KDE LL. I'd also like to hear if switching to KDE would be a deal breaker for any members. Thank you.

363mb 64 bit KDE...lol..now imagine what that would be in 2022 with all the development they do. Interesting.

 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2019, 11:39:57 PM »
 

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'KDE LL' sounds good. From what was pointed out, the infrastructure is also a big reason.

I guess as long as other DE exist, there will always be alternative 'go2' distros featuring them.

So until the end of 2021?
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2019, 01:03:00 AM »
 

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One of the important factors with KDE Plasma is how well GTK3 apps integrate - or rather dis-integrate.

Granted there are various utilities that help to improve the experience but it can be a visual bear if you are accustomed to all your apps looking like they come from the same stable.

The rapid pace of KDE development against a - shall we say "slow and steady" - platform like Debian/Ubuntu means that the released version of Plasma can be years ahead of what is available to end users. There are ongoing conflicts with Qt versions clashing with some apps as well.

In fairness I think that you do need to be on a rolling release base like PCLOS in order to get the benefit of the development process which is behind KDE.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2019, 06:54:23 AM »
 

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Good point robinc.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2019, 12:12:45 PM »
 

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@Jerry ,

It isn't a deal breaker for me.  I trust that whatever release you and other developers put out will continue to stay fast, simple, and free.  The folks I've helped make the transition to Linux Lite wouldn't care much either.

In addition to KDE being bulky in the past, I avoided it because it was "too" feature rich and I didn't know what I was doing going from Arch based to Debian based to Fedora based, etc.  I didn't know how to run updates or install software.  It was a tad overwhelming being so new to Linux at the time, and the distros I tried didn't have documentation as good as Linux Lite.  So I felt lost.  I'm sure whatever help manual is created, coupled with the forum support and testing will make a transition as seamless as any other series change.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2019, 01:17:21 PM »
 

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But you can't do that in whisker menu, can you? At least not by default. I'm asking cause now I'm curious, it never ocurred to me to try that.

I second that. When I started ion Linux, the main reason I finally chose XFCE was the Whiskers menu.
Seeing the program descriptions right in the menu trememdously helped the transition...
And no, before anyone replies to this, browsing over each entry to have the pop-up description is not as noob-friendly! ;)

On a side note, for the memory usage, it may be unrelated but could it be that the 64bits version in KDE is just more optimised than XFCE currently?
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2019, 06:58:53 PM »
 

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The default Menu is growing on me. The more I use and customize it, the easier it appears for me to use.



I'm currently going through and adding all the software that will be default. In some cases, original software like Gimp is held onto, in other cases where appearance and features dominate, new applications replace the old ones. Eg. KSysgurd replaces Htop. Ksysguard is both a system monitor and a process killer/task manager. You can also create and download tabs, pretty awesome.





 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2019, 07:11:40 PM »
 

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