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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #150 on: August 08, 2020, 10:25:18 AM »
 

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I created root access in my KDE LL build. Took a few hours of research to get a reliable, working fix.
This is the way it would be implemented for Dolphin & Kwrite:

.desktops: (may have to create folders)
~/.local/share/kservicess5/ServiceMenus/

polkits:
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions

Create a polkit file for Dolphin:

com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin.policy

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE policyconfig PUBLIC
  "-//freedesktop//DTD PolicyKit Policy Configuration 1.0//EN"
  "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/PolicyKit/1/policyconfig.dtd">
<policyconfig>
 
  <vendor>Linux Lite</vendor>
  <vendor_url>https://linuxliteos.com/</vendor_url>
 
  <action id="com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin">
    <message>Authentication is required to run Dolphin</message>
    <icon_name>window-close</icon_name>
    <defaults>
      <allow_any>auth_admin</allow_any>
      <allow_inactive>auth_admin</allow_inactive>
      <allow_active>auth_admin</allow_active>
    </defaults>
    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.path">/usr/bin/dolphin</annotate>
    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui">true</annotate>
  </action>

</policyconfig>

.desktop for Dolphin:

dolphin-root.desktop

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[Desktop Action root]
Exec=pkexec dolphin
Icon=window-close
Name=Open as Admin

[Desktop Entry]
Actions=root
Icon=window-close
MimeType=inode/directory
ServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin
Type=Service
X-KDE-Priority=TopLevel
X-KDE-StartupNotify=false

For Kwrite, rinse and repeat, just change where obvious.

I haven't tried this yet but will do as soon as I figure how to on my kde box with debian. I did find this post https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2019/09/19/how-to-run-kde-dolphin-kate-and-kwrite-as-root-user/ and the solutions posted there worked just fine.

EDIT: Just found a solution here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=142371#p700768 and it was as easy as install a pkg. :)
Last Edit: August 08, 2020, 10:33:59 AM by Moltke
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #151 on: October 23, 2020, 05:05:24 PM »
 

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One thing I'm not liking is KDE "wallet." Every time I boot, kwallet asks me for a password just to connect to my own wifi from my own computer (which I logged into with my own username and password). That doesn't seem well thought out. :) I've got a feeling it serves a very good purpose and in the future we're all going to be using wallets. But, right now, I'm not liking it.

Issues discussed here are probably more specific to distro default config than KDE...

kWallet is a secret keeper, which can be secured with a password not necessarily identical with linux user password. If the login system assume that it is identical when it isn't, and try to open the wallet with the linux user password, you get error message on every login for failing to open the wallet.

Wallets store not only trivialities like wifi passwords,  but also encryption keys to more important stuffs like Chrome browser data, that includes saved online passwords. Linux give us the possibility to have multi wallet with multi password, but the default behavior (asking wallet password every login) might feel inconvenient.

On my daily driver, I set my default wallet password identical to linux user login password, and configure the login system to open the wallet when logging in (using linux user password as wallet password). This is configured in /etc/pam.d folder.

If the operating system is configured for simplicity, then assuming that the wallet password and user password will be the same is very sensible, but to my experience hopping distro so far, most distro does not do this by default.

Other issues discussed, ie waiting for NFS to cleanly unmount before shutting down, is probably also related with the distro's default configuration, hidden in places like samba config, systemd services config, timeout settings etc. These are things (Jerry's bread and butter?) which casual users would never configure themselves (not many windows user know how to use msconfig, not all linux users ever enter /etc folder)

Kubuntu's default might be carried over from Ubuntu's use case as server, it should must wait for services within it to really gracefully exit before OS shut down (SQL database corruption is a bad bad bad thing), while in GUI systems, a simple confirmation is all it takes to gracefully exit all GUI program.

I'm sure that the fine tuning of LL can also be carried over into KDE, to ensure an experience more attuned to what users expect. I just want to say that resolving these issues are perfectly doable with KDE.

PS: I was just trying out LL, and I think it is a distro I can use immediately after installation, instead of needing-customization-to-be-usable. I'll use LL as my OS-in-flashdrive that I use for backup purposes. (I use openSUSE tumbleweed KDE for daily driver).
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #152 on: November 15, 2020, 06:08:09 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #153 on: November 15, 2020, 02:28:38 PM »
 

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@Jerry ,

I hadn't logged into the forum in a bit, and this is exactly the topic that was on my mind.  Thanks for the update.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #154 on: November 15, 2020, 06:07:32 PM »
 

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With Jerry's magic touch, can't wait to try it out.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #155 on: November 26, 2020, 01:02:09 AM »
 

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After seeing this thread I tried adding KDE to linux lite. It turns it's not possible. I don't like that. One of linux appeal is that you have the freedom to do what you want with it.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #156 on: November 26, 2020, 08:41:55 AM »
 

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Heya!

Changing desktop is always a challenge.
Starting from a "core" build would get you the most success, but even if I used Linux a few years, I still consider myself a noob when dealing with "deep" stuff.

I successfully installed XFCE on two other distro that didn't have it, results were... o.k., but not bug free.
It gave me more respect for distro builders like Jerry. It can be a labor of love sometime ;) .
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #157 on: November 26, 2020, 11:35:16 AM »
 

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After seeing this thread I tried adding KDE to linux lite. It turns it's not possible. I don't like that. One of linux appeal is that you have the freedom to do what you want with it.

Its possible, although not necessarily advised. If you choose to there isn't support. Remember LL is built for newbies and Windows refugees.
LL is what is says - Simple and Fast.. and of course FREE!

Jerry has built LL to be very stable.

Installing any DE is of course always up to the user - but its not a simple click and install as would any DE that's not prebuilt with the OS...
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #158 on: November 27, 2020, 09:34:29 AM »
 

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Friday's broken brain idea!

I don't think it would be feasible but having the choice of XFCE or KDE on boot/install would be awesome.
But, since I didn't see any distros doing that and always having seperate distro flavors with their own ISO files, I guess this is an Utopian though (or heresy?). ;)
Also, the size of the ISO could be huge... so sad.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #159 on: November 27, 2020, 09:56:33 AM »
 

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Net install like Debian lets you build what you want. LL's version of XFCE is highly modified and appended with additonal distro specific software which would definitely make it more difficult to range between QT and GTK and Xorg and Wayland. Expect one or the other as seperate LL ISOs without a net install repository configuration, which in itself would be a very expensive undertaking, and a heavy burden on the developers, and wrought with problems for new users. The code cleanliness and usability of this distro is its primary cache.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2020, 08:04:59 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #162 on: February 04, 2021, 09:36:27 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #163 on: February 22, 2021, 11:54:11 AM »
 

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Plasma 5.21 is all about upgrading the looks and usability of Plasma.


https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/5/5.21.0/

- New Application Launcher.
- fixed most of the bugs reported by users.
- Application theme improvements.
- Breeze Twilight: a combination of a dark theme for Plasma and a light theme for applications.
- Plasma System Monitor.
- KDE is pushing to have first class support for Wayland, and Plasma 5.21 makes massive progress towards reaching that goal.
- Plasma 5.21 brings a new page to System Settings: the Plasma Firewall settings.
- The Media Player widget’s layout has been improved and now includes the list of applications currently playing music in the header as a tab bar.
- In Plasma 5.21, two new components for mobile in the official release.
- Discover now supports unattended updates.
- Pin KRunner (doesn't close automatically).
- Digital Clock has better support for time zones.
- The sound applet now displays the live microphone volume.

I tried it in OpenSuse Argon, https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Argon_and_Krypton looks nice and resource usage keeps low, though I don't quite like the new app launcher; has a "win 10 look-like style" and seems like more clicking is needed to do some stuff is possible to do now in kickoff with the keyboard. 
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #164 on: March 06, 2021, 07:52:11 PM »
 

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A big Plasma feature was added this week: adaptive Plasma panel opacity
Now the panel and panel applets are more transparent than they were before, allowing more of a tint from the beautiful wallpaper on your desktop! But what’s this? You’re about to complain that you maximize all your windows so the increased transparency will look ugly? In fact, we now make your panel and panel applets 100% opaque when there are any maximized windows, ensuring no ugly effect! But what if you don’t want that either? Well, if you don’t want adaptive opacity we now let you make your panel and panel applets always transparent, or always opaque! Hopefully that should make everyone happy. 🙂


https://pointieststick.com/2021/03/05/this-week-in-kde-adaptive-panel-opacity-and-auto-restored-unsaved-documents-in-kate/


    • Another notable feature got merged as well: the ability to have Kate automatically preserve and restore unsaved files or even unsaved changes in files when quit and re-launched!
          Bugfixes & Performance Improvements
    • Elisa now consumes less memory when you scroll around the app and see a lot of album art
    • Elisa now saves playlist files in the .m3u8 format which supports UTF8-encoding and non-ASCII characters, and also allows you to open playlist files already in that format
    • Renaming a file on a Samba share in such a manner that the only way its filename changes is that one letter is moved from uppercase to lowercase (or vice versa) now works
    • The Flickr picture of the day wallpaper now works again; its API key had expired. This keeps happening, so we are investigating a more generic way of keeping it working consistently
    • Plasma System Monitor apples no longer sometimes display a broken config window
    • Discover now always returns the appropriate number of apps when asked to find handlers for a file format
    • The feature to automatically match header decoration styling for GTK headerbar apps now works on multi-user systems when multiple users are logged in at the same time
    • There is no longer a blank entry in the Digital Clock’s time zone chooser; it now shows “Yangon”, a city in Myanmar
    • KRunner no longer dumps an ugly unprintable character in its search field when you hit the Escape, Backspace, or Delete key while the history view is open
    • The bottom buttons in various System Settings pages no longer sometimes get cut off when using Plasma Mobile or using a system language with long text
    • The new Plasma System Monitor app no longer sometimes crashes after spending a lot of time minimized
    • The “kill a process” dialog in the new Plasma System Monitor no longer suffers from a variety of minor visual glitches
    • When using the new Plasma System Monitor app to get new visual chart styles, the resulting window is no longer hilariously small
    • System Monitor widgets now correctly update their titles to reflect user-initiated changes immediately after such changes are made
    • The focus effect for buttons on the Lock, Login, and Logout screens now appears correctly again (me: Nate Graham, Plasma 5.21.3)
    • Menus in GTK apps once again have the same height as menus in KDE and Qt apps
    • GTK apps using the new Libhandy library now display their top headerbars with the correct height
    • Fixed a few issues in the Breeze Dark Global Theme which were it causing it to not properly apply the intended color scheme and splash screen
    • When the screen is turned off, the system no longer wastes CPU and GPU power drawing un-rendered components
    • Search results in Kickoff which have icons provided by .ico files are no longer blurry (
    • Placeholder Text in Plasma text fields and text boxes now presents the correct cursor when you move your mouse over it and is never the wrong color or even inappropriately selectable
          User Interface Improvements
    • When using a wheel mouse, Gwenview’s image thumbnail view now scrolls by the same amount (matching Dolphin) no matter how large the thumbnails are
    • It’s now more obvious how to stop a presentation in Okular
    • In Kate, the F11 key is now used to enter and exit fullscreen as it does in many other apps, rather than toggling line numbers on and off
    • Gwenview now shows a quality chooser slider when saving images in the JPEG XL file format, if supported on your system
    • Everything in Plasma and QML-based apps now fully respects your animation duration settings, including not animating anything at all when animations are disabled
     
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