Another one for LL.

[Moltke]

Oi!

I tried the latest Peppermint8 Respin2 this weekend (32bits).
It's an LXDE + XFCE hybrid, with a whisker menu
Theres a bunch of apps I have to install *but* I did a double-take when I booted this latest release, memory usage is at 121MB on live boot!!!! (and more !'s ).
Once installed on hard drive and update, the final count is 141MB ... waaaa!

The interface/icon set is meh for me and I didn't find a way to put desktop icons (yet?) since it's LXDE. It's my first VirtualBox VM too, woot!
There's a bunch of apps that are web-based, which I hate so I removed a few even if it's a "feature" of PeppermintOS.
I doubt this distro will have other uses for me than installing on ancestral PC's but still, once I put LibreOffice and al, I'll report back.

Cheers!

Peppermint 8 was the distro I was on before jumping into LL, and before I was using debian "Jessie", and before CentOS 7. I really liked Peppermint but for some reason one day I started to face some issues with it, not sure why but I'm most certain it was my fault lol

Being without internet sucks!

[TheDead]

Oi!

I tried the latest Peppermint8 Respin2 this weekend (32bits).
It's an LXDE + XFCE hybrid, with a whisker menu
Theres a bunch of apps I have to install *but* I did a double-take when I booted this latest release, memory usage is at 121MB on live boot!!!! (and more !'s ).
Once installed on hard drive and update, the final count is 141MB ... waaaa!

The interface/icon set is meh for me and I didn't find a way to put desktop icons (yet?) since it's LXDE. It's my first VirtualBox VM too, woot!
There's a bunch of apps that are web-based, which I hate so I removed a few even if it's a "feature" of PeppermintOS.
I doubt this distro will have other uses for me than installing on ancestral PC's but still, once I put LibreOffice and al, I'll report back.

Cheers!

[TheDead]

I prefer to go with the "Economic Family Sedan" in Linux. I not looking for an Exotic Car, a Sport Car, a truck or RV, just something reliable that works for everyone. Thats doesnt mean that I don't like to work in the garage but I want the choice to be there went I want to, not because I have to. Of course I also like to brag and show off my shiny DeepinOS to the guys once in awhile.

Why so Linux? : I don't often but I used my Surface(1) this weekend. I hate the thing! Not the Hardware, the software. *AGAIN*, when I turned it on, it began updating, even if I previously DISABLED the windows updates service. And not the standard updates either, it downloaded AND installed the Microsoft Upgrade Installer, without consent. I had to force stop the program uninstall it. Stop and disable the update "service" again. And deleted all leftover files, 100s of MBs. I DON'T want updates for "performance" or security, the tablet is already slow and full as it is, and, if it gets hacked and trashed, I will laugh and have a reason to buy a GalaxyTab S2. Still, it's a nice reminder why I'm more and more in Linux. :-S

[Moltke]

Yes, was 18.1, hence my capital letters for a 1.9GB iso, for not a lot of software AND redownloads everything.
For Arch, I was really more impressef by Manjaro!

- Cheers!

I tried Manjaro a couple of years ago and din't like it; several and continuing issues with a Nvidia onboard graphics card, that been said I haven't tried it with this radeon gpu, by that time the fan of the radeon card failed and it took me a while to get a replacement one. Maybe I try it again in a VM

Speaking of Arch, check this it out @TheDead 



Having some fun    Downloaded latest iso and created that Arch VM, still some work to do but it's up and running! 

[TheDead]

Yes, was 18.1, hence my capital letters for a 1.9GB iso, for not a lot of software AND redownloads everything.
For Arch, I was really more impressef by Manjaro!

- Cheers!

[Moltke]

@TheDead  I used the minimal iso which takes quite some time to install since it has to download many packages, but it did installed flawlessly on my VM.

I downloaded the latest 64 bits one. 1.9GB ISO. Same stupid thing, NEEDS internet connection and downloads everything to install, again...
Sorry for the letters but, WTF, I downloaded a 1.9GB iso, for what for then?
Also install takes f-o-r-e-v-a-a-a-a-r (hours) ! - still not done at the moment... waiting. Doing some knitting... working on my bonzai... done!

Did you use the 18.1 iso? That's the latest  one.

At least the OS is all up to date. Eek, some menu items have no names or descriptions...
There's less applications than Linux Lite and I'm getting slow response times.
Not impressed. Maybe with another Desktop Environment... but XFCE + Whisker is a must for me.

I installed whisker menu and haven't had any issues so far. So I've no idea what could've gone wrong in your box, but yes it takes a lot of time because when system's finally installed you end with an up to date system. I actually like the fact that it doesn't have many packages; the less the better for me One of my favourite distros is CentOS 7 minimal iso so I can install as many or as few packges as I want. 

Hours-long installations is one reason (of many) I'm steering away from Windows. - Sorry Antergos! -DELETE

Yes it can be a no for some people but once you have it installed and running then you can enjoy ARCH repositories, specially the AUR, and pacman is such a great package manager; in my experience pacman and yum are both great package managers. I'm having quite some fun with it  

[TheDead]

@Moltke - You spoke about Antergos, never tried it so, looks cool. Got the last 32bits from 2016, it's useless, it can't even install anymore. It "needs" to download stuff that is not there anymore and crashes.
So, I disable the network card, and then it can't even start the installation.

I downloaded the latest 64 bits one. 1.9GB ISO. Same stupid thing, NEEDS internet connection and downloads everything to install, again...
Sorry for the letters but, WTF, I downloaded a 1.9GB iso, for what for then?
Also install takes f-o-r-e-v-a-a-a-a-r (hours) ! - still not done at the moment... waiting. Doing some knitting... working on my bonzai... done!
Reboot. Okaaay, reeeally default XFCE interface, no whisker and no Welcome screen. 335MB RAM used (standard for 64bits?).
At least the OS is all up to date. Eek, some menu items have no names or descriptions...
There's less applications than Linux Lite and I'm getting slow response times.
Not impressed. Maybe with another Desktop Environment... but XFCE + Whisker is a must for me.
Hours-long installations is one reason (of many) I'm steering away from Windows. - Sorry Antergos! -DELETE-

[Moltke]

@Moltke
Currently on phone (hate phone keyboards) so gonna be shorter
Installed 4.4.4 32x last night. Started at 165MB.
Installed all apps and updates. Removed most e apps except eepdater (interface icons still break before xfce install, seems some updates are responsible, program still works when resizing window though).
Removed enlightment theme.
I have to check how to remove enlightment DE itself.
Also learned that samba was not completely installed, had to fix.
*BUT* after all this, system boots to a 139MB desktop!!! Waaa?

P.s. Also found a really cool graphics creation app called Krita. Bonus!

I think removing enlightment will create a lot of problems and whatnot. Hmmm I think I'm gonna have some fun with that.  Krita is a great piece of software, I install it everytime even though I have a hard time trying to use it, I'm more used to Gimp since I've been using since 2000 or so from my windows XP old days. 

[TheDead]

@Moltke
Currently on phone (hate phone keyboards) so gonna be shorter
Installed 4.4.4 32x last night. Started at 165MB.
Installed all apps and updates. Removed most e apps except eepdater (interface icons still break before xfce install, seems some updates are responsible, program still works when resizing window though).
Removed enlightment theme.
I have to check how to remove enlightment DE itself.
Also learned that samba was not completely installed, had to fix.
*BUT* after all this, system boots to a 139MB desktop!!! Waaa?

P.s. Also found a really cool graphics creation app called Krita. Bonus!

[Moltke]

Hey @TheDead that was quite some work lol

After installing 6 Linux Lite laptops this week end I had some time left
Steps:
- Installed Bodhi 4.1.0 + XFCE + Whisker.
- Remove Midori/Terminology and installed FireFox and XFCE Terminal. After reboot, *158MB* RAM used. Yay!
- Updated manually all visible apps from Terminal. +reboot.
- Installed my personnal apps and additional updates from Bodhi eeupdater. +reboot.
- Kernel at 4.8.034 and using *161MB* after all this. That's a tie with PeppermintOS, the lowest XFCE based distro I tried

I picked one of my favorite hobbies up and been playing around with a few VMs; Antergos 17.12, Bodhi 4.4.0, SolidX 9, Fedora 27 LXDE and XFCE, CentOS 7 (core)+ XFCE,  Redcore Linux (Gentoo based) , Mint 18.3, LL 3.8, Puppy Linux (xenialpup), Porteus-Kiosk 4.6.0, Slackware, Q4OS 3.1, MX-Linux 17, AntiX 17, Kali Linux Light, Tuxtrans and Zorin Lite. That was what I thought of trying to install whisker menu on bodhi, but I didn't want to go as far as you did lol

Used the rest of the weekend to browse the interweebs. Seemed stable, but again I do NOT recommend other than for fun and giggles.
Project notes :
- eeupdater icons (in program) dissapeared.
- had to change XFCE theme to Arc to fix some displays.
- other interface displays are just messed up (epulse, etc.)
- you CANNOT remove Chromium as it will also remove everything else in the Bodhi "app-pack" package.

Did you get rid of enlightment? I thought of doing that and replace the whole thing with XFCE but...too much work  ; if I want XFCE DE I use a XFCE Distro or something like Antergos minimal, slackware, CentOS minimal and install it, way much better and easier than trying to change a lot of stuff. 

[TheDead]

@Moltke
After installing 6 Linux Lite laptops this week end I had some time left
Steps:
- Installed Bodhi 4.1.0 + XFCE + Whisker.
- Remove Midori/Terminology and installed FireFox and XFCE Terminal. After reboot, *158MB* RAM used. Yay!
- Updated manually all visible apps from Terminal. +reboot.
- Installed my personnal apps and additional updates from Bodhi eeupdater. +reboot.
- Kernel at 4.8.034 and using *161MB* after all this. That's a tie with PeppermintOS, the lowest XFCE based distro I tried, yet.

Used the rest of the weekend to browse the interweebs. Seemed stable, but again I do NOT recommend other than for fun and giggles.
Project notes :
- eeupdater icons (in program) dissapeared.
- had to change XFCE theme to Arc to fix some displays.
- other interface displays are just messed up (epulse, etc.)
- you CANNOT remove Chromium as it will also remove everything else in the Bodhi "app-pack" package.

Future... maybe... try with Bodhi 4.4.0 Legacy to see if it fixes broken things. But this means I will have to install all apps manually since it is bare-bone and does not have the Bodhi app-pack :-S

Now back to LL

Cheers!

[trinidad]

I enjoy the hobbyist parts of making old hardware run myself, maybe because it keeps me running too, and maybe because if I cook it it doesn't cost me anything. Nowadays I would say that Pentium3 433/533 with 512 Ram is the bare minimum unless you build, compile, and install manually with Debian, Ubuntu or Arch and avoid graphics heavy software and/or add an old style PCI video card with another 512 of memory and an its own i486 chip, like the old Voodoos. Pentium4 2G or up with 1G Ram will handle newer software in 32bit decently. For 64bit Core2 Duos with 3G Ram is basically minimum anymore for reasonably good preformance. The Spectre Meltdown fiasco is going to cause a drop in price on some fairly decent hardware soon. Gen3s and i5s with 4G Ram are already going for around $100 US at some refurbishers. Intel has essentially reeled in support for anything older than Haswell no matter what you see reading around and the mitigations in Linux are still using the old opaque release. It's becoming a buyers market for refurb Intel stuff.

TC   

[Moltke]

Yes @TheDead  you're right. I tried Bodhi in a VM and attempted to install whisker menu to realize that XFCE was needed.

ADD: Forgot to mention that the Moshka interface is impressive and fast on old computers but also prone to graphics corruption, wrong objects/button placement or just plain not user friendly or intuitive

It's like I said before; It's not as intuitive and customizable as XFCE is.

[TheDead]

@Moltke and @RandomBoy on Bodhi
I'm trying to keep old computers alive too, some too old.

Yes, Bodhi used less resources on live (95MB RAM) and once installed (105MB RAM) but unfortunately, it takes a lot more resources WHEN installing. The last 32bits version with "app-pack" (i.e. Office, etc.) was 4.1.0 and it's getting quite old now.
ADD: Forgot to mention that the Moshka interface is impressive and fast on old computers but also prone to graphics corruption, wrong objects/button placement or just plain not user friendly or intuitive.

I was not able to install it on an old Pentium 3 (with 512MB if I remember correctly but could be 256MB), installer just took forever and I didn't have the time, so I clone a previous install on it and booted fine but lagged again horribly when doing updates. Had to go the Peppermint (LXDE+XFCE hybrid using route in the end to have something semi-fonctionnal AND with a Whisker menu. Pepper used 160MB RAM at the time but the latest version uses 205MB). All that trouble for a 15$ laptop.

To save you time, it IS possible to install Whisker on Bodhi, but you have to install XFCE DE first. You end up with a XFCE+Whisker desktop using just 150MB RAM. I would NOT recommend this installation for ANY serious use as 1. I have not tried it more than one hour and 2. It is absolutely not a supported configuration and I'm guessing updates would brake it instantly. Also, I don't know if this would weight in but Bodhi does not have FireFox either. It uses Midori, a light/nice but old/unstable browser.

For reference, Linux Lite 3.6 x32 it more recent, infinitely more stable and uses around 204MB on a live boot and around 250MB once installed.
NOTE : Maybe it depends on RAM available but with an old PC but with 1.5GB RAM, Linux Lite 2.8 is sometimes a little faster but uses around 1000MB live and 500MB RAM installed.

Soooo, I totally agree with @Jerry, if a computer can't run Linux Lite it's only for home/hobby use or to be used as a paper weight.
My own additional criteria, if it can't play a 240p YouTube video, it's not worth it. Coincidently, a Netbook with an Atom N455 and 1GB RAM just barely makes this mark.

And Broadcom sucks! Just had to say it.

Cheers!

[Moltke]

I stay with Linux Lite mainly for this reason:
The forum.  Cooperation and suggestions from forum users help make Linux Lite better each year

Yes. I totally agree on this. I've tried many distros, been on several forums not only Linux ones but others as well and honestly this is by far the friendliest and most helpful of them all. And of course this too is one of the reasons I keep using LL as well as the fact that it is a great OS; everything works nothing fails.