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Suggestions for Linux Lite 5.6 (starting from an unfair German review)

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Moltke:
First of all, I think you started with the wrong foot with your approach. This is not the way to address such things. I've too seen stuff I believe could be improved, but then I don't start a thread in the forum for everyone to see just for showing off, instead, I opt to PM the Lite team and let them know my observations, then it's up to them whether they take it into account.


--- Quote from: ludditus on May 30, 2021, 06:47:18 PM ---Jerry, thanks for the reply. Since we're not trying to debate on the existence of God, could I use some old plain logic?


--- Quote from: Jerry on May 30, 2021, 04:30:55 PM ---If you've been to our main website, I'm sure that you are aware that you are not in our target audience. This is the first and most important point to make as it determines how feedback is responded to for one.
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This is, sorry to say, rude. Even if it's your distro, even if it's your work, even if your "customers" don't pay you a dime, the feedback from the end-users should always be treated equally. If something is true, then it's true. Such as a bug. When a package conflicts with another package, but it's not declared as such, this is a bug, and a newbie couldn't know it's a bug, but I do.

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True. However, Lite team is a small, enthusiastic one who devote themselves to make the best they can to keep this distro the way its target audience want it to. With that in mind, it's logical to think that the most practical thing to do is to take that target audience's feedback as the most relevant; it makes it easy for them to fix and apply that target audience's recommendations. Anyone else's can wait.


--- Quote from: Jerry on May 30, 2021, 04:30:55 PM ---The difference in feedback.
Experienced people who have been in linux for a while - their feedback tends to lean on the side of personal preference. They've used linux long enough to be at a point where they are able to see from a certain view how 'things could be better' with a linux based OS.
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--- Quote ---Experienced people, people who have been in software development for decades, people who have interacted with customers and end users, experienced professionals who are not just software developers, but who also know to collect feedback from users, and understand ergonomics and human factors could provide you much more useful feedback than Joe Sixpack who doesn't know how to use a wired mouse.

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"Experienced professionals" don't go around showing off their skills or knowledge, instead, since they're knowledgeable and skilled enough to know better than that, they use the right approach to address things, which, I'm sorry to say, but you don't seem to follow this most basic principle.


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--- Quote from: Jerry on May 30, 2021, 04:30:55 PM ---Newbies feedback is of the utmost importance, because they are experiencing everything for the first time - first time use.
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Yes, but if you only value their feedback, you won't fix much.

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Again, target audience's feedback takes precedent, anything else can wait, for the reasons explained above.



--- Quote from: Jerry on May 30, 2021, 04:30:55 PM --- if any of it matches with existing 'newbie' feeback, I'll certainly consider it for implementation. Cheers.
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--- Quote ---With all due respect, this is a fallacious approach. Most newbies don't even know what they miss, what they'd like, what they see, when they see a bug. They might even not know that some option exists! How could they complain when they don't know what this collection of software can or could do for them?
I presented you, that's true, some personal preferences. But maybe 80% of the time, 70% of users prefer the Compact List in a file manager, and only use Icon View for pictures. Also, for when someone changes to Compact or Details (most people would eventually do it at some point) and they see white icons instead of themed icons because they're too small, why not changing the defaults as long as it would help them?
Finally, if there are two firewall configuration tools in the menu, but the user only sees one in the Settings window, how is this not a bug? That stupid German is the proof that the best thing to do is to fix this instead of saying, "oh, the feedback is not coming from the right people!"

If we have had designed products only based on the feedback from the users, we'd have had hybrid horse-driven automobiles.

Let's agree we are incompatible in the way we see the management of a software project, of a software product, of a software brand, of a software market, and of a community of users and, before you kick me out, to part here. I am not welcome in this community, I leave.

All the best.

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Most newbies, specially the ones coming from Windows, will be more than happy to use a stable and pleasant to use distro such as Linux Lite is. Again, I don't think this is the way to address such things which in the end are just a matter of perspective, because truth be told, most distros have their own flaws and yet the people who use them and the people behind them are always supportive with the community, and don't go around showing off saying this or that is wrong or broken just because they don't like it or think they know better, and if they do, then they should create their own distro to prove their points are and always have been valid and everyone else should follow their lead, otherwise, they're just letting their egos speak for them. You're welcome in the community, but I don't think the community is welcome in/by you.   

Cheers!  :55:   

trinidad:
Perhaps a somewhat remarkable example of a rather unremarkable probably even unfortunate person's attempt at satire. One can definitely sense the need for deep therapy, or at the least a cry for help in this encounter. In a literary sense it's difficult to believe that English is his first language, which would allow me to forgive the lack of vocabulary and logical construction in his discourse, but there is too much post-structuralist patois and logic in his feigned personal method of attack. Sadly he is a dilettante resorting to circularity when cornered. He suffers from a "craving to be famous" and "a horror of being known to like being known".

https://ludditus.com/2021/05/26/how-the-internet-age-bent-some-peoples-minds/
Including his own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire

The clearest critic of his ramblings and rants is his own self-immolating opinion. It maybe that the person has become the avatar in this case, while the original self struggles through the wasteland that such a vanity created.

TC

Jerry:
Got this in just this morning, timing couldn't be better lol from a "Veteran IT user. Been using Linux for a long time now."

Moltke:

--- Quote from: Jerry on May 31, 2021, 04:07:12 PM ---Got this in just this morning, timing couldn't be better lol from a "Veteran IT user. Been using Linux for a long time now."



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I'm always talking and trying to convert people to Linux, and I show them a few distros either by using one of my VMs or going to their houses with a USB prepared for the task. Linux Lite is usually the first, depending on the person, and it's always liked :) (although the live update widget kind of almost ruins it because sometimes it slows down things a bit and people are like "it's kind of slow, ins't it?" is there a way to disable that before getting to the desktop? When booting from a Live USB, I mean)

EDIT: We need an "agree" or "like" for those more used to social media lexicon button here.  :55:

Jerry:

--- Quote from: Moltke on May 31, 2021, 04:42:17 PM ---
(although the live update widget kind of almost ruins it because sometimes it slows down things a bit and people are like "it's kind of slow, ins't it?" is there a way to disable that before getting to the desktop? When booting from a Live USB, I mean)


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There is NO live widget when you boot from a live USB, it is disabled by default. You must have a foreign ISO image.

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