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General => Suggestions and Feedback => Topic started by: Jerry on May 12, 2017, 03:53:59 AM
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With the prevalence of Social Media in the world, should we for convenience, include Social Media applications in Lite Software?
I know some of you are anti-social media, and that will influence your opinion. We are trying to push the message of free software. I'm not a big fan myself, but I'm always able to see the bigger picture and put aside personal opinion.
"You can use your enemies own weapons to defeat them..."
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Facebook Messenger:
(http://i.imgur.com/QTcoeWM.png)
Corebird (Twitter):
(http://i.imgur.com/cS25vdY.png)
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I don't want to see Social Media applications at any form in Linux Lite. I want it simple and reliable, it seems better if someone needs it can downloads it.
penglezos
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I don't want to see Social Media applications at any form in Linux Lite. I want it simple and reliable, it seems better if someone needs it can downloads it.
penglezos
Ditto :)
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I don't want to see Social Media applications at any form in Linux Lite. I want it simple and reliable, it seems better if someone needs it can downloads it.
penglezos
If it's in Lite Software, it's presented as an option.
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I simply don't see the need for these applications. The websites are fine.
If any maybe something like Franz (I don't know how "free" that one is) to have one program that combines the various social media platforms.
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I don't want to see Social Media applications at any form in Linux Lite. I want it simple and reliable, it seems better if someone needs it can downloads it.
penglezos
Ditto :)
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Disclaimer: I am anti-social media. OK, now onward. If it's in Lite software as an optional item. No problem. You have a 'Social Media' add-on in Lite Software. You tick it, hit enter. A GUI pops open & you select what you want, and it installs. I'm good with that. Additional, optional add-on's in Lite Software, or the repository hurt no one. However, if it was up to me I'd have items that are installed in Linux Lite right now moved to 'Lite Software'. To me the perfect Linux Lite is a strong, solid, secure OS that you add things to AFTER installation. Not try to figure out how to get rid of things you'll never use. A thought for down the road is to add another option to the 'welcome' screen after a fresh install. It would say "Would you like to look at a list of additional software you can add to Linux Lite?". Works for me.
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Ottawagrant nailed it. It's there but it doesn't affect you. I don't need personal feelings on this matter, I need to know if this is something the masses would use or find useful.
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I agree with Ottawagrant re slimming down LL and making Lite Software option larger. As the Kernel grows with the LL uniqueness of backwards hardware compatibility, the ISO is getting progressively larger. . I am not sure what % is Kernel and what % is "addons - ( included software). Personally I still feel the iso should be capable of fitting on a CD with basic browser to tide users over - and the path for further addons , once LL installed, then made clear. FWIW
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Yes. My company needs them. I run an open source social media company. I need to be able access the application faster and more efficiently. You can start with Linuxrocks.online aka mastodon. They are open source social media. A lot of people from Jupiterbroadcasting company got it installed. But we should be able to get corebird in the lite manger. Twitter application that works
God not dead! He roaring like an Lion.
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Does it hurt to have it - No.. I haven't installed but a few of the current apps available in Lite Software.. (Will I use it - probably not).
Software/Apps are evolving... App Stores and Play Stores -- Dockers and Containers..
I tend to think of it as Lite Software = Top Requested/Most Used Apps.... Repository = Anything and Everything App Store
With a multitude of items increasingly being available in Lite Software, similar to Ottawagrant, perhaps a category heading/container..
Maybe something with as a containing folder with the Apps within.. an example
Media (Audio/Video)
-Audacity
-Kodi
-Restricted Extras
Social
-Skype
-FB Messenger
-Twitter
Browsers
-Opera
-Palemoon
Tools
Games
Etc Etc..
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Yes it should be an option. Most of my friends use Facebook so I have to use it to stay up with activities. I did not know FB Messenger existed until this topic came up. I have been having to go through FB hoops to get to full screen messenger on my desktop. My friends use smart phones so they don't have this problems. I use a dumb flip phone. I like my computer screen big not pocket size. I have install FB Messenger so even if you don't offer it as an options, thanks for bring this to my attention Jerry!
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Yes they should be available to install in Lite Software.
Most I know using instagram, musical.ly, tumblr, pinterest.
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It's good as is, I say keep it lightweight and uncomplicated. Opt-in instead of opt-out is better.
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I need to know if this is something the masses would use or find useful.
@Jerry
That is the main question. If I were to use those mediums, I'd prefer to use them either in a browser or in an app like Pidgin. I would tire of a separate desktop app for each platform. Furthermore, from a browser, there is often a pop-out option. The popped out window operates outside of the tab, giving it a desktop app-like experience.
I would avoid separate desktop apps for each of those offerings. And I wonder if the demand for them is really there. Even from these responses, it doesn't appear that many folks are using those apps separate from a browser.
And remember this: It is easier to block ads in a browser. Think about the ads you can block on YouTube with your browser, and compare that to the ads you have a harder time blocking via the YouTube app on your smartphone, smart TV, or TV streaming stick like Chromecast or Amazon Fire Stick.
For smartphones, people use separate apps for the convenience. For desktop computing, my guess is more people use a browser for convenience.
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I think its a good idea to have it as an option because i imagine there are many people out there who would use it.
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I don't want to see Social Media applications at any form in Linux Lite. I want it simple and reliable, it seems better if someone needs it can downloads it.
penglezos
Same for me
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Ottawagrant nailed it. It's there but it doesn't affect you.
Google Chrome was in Lite Software. And even if you didn't use it, it affected everyone on the Linux Lite 2.x series. Maybe this will be different.
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I would rather have the apps apart then one app. can't use pidgn with twitter. The API on twitter keeps changing...
God not dead! He roaring like an Lion.
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New here, and my observation is worth what it costs--
But, I came to Linux, and especially now, Lite, because I don't share every moment of my life
with everybody and their cousin. If I wanted that, I would have just stayed with Windows. ::)
I do like how light Lite is now.
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Add me to that list of "anti social software" guys. I won't fully express my thoughts about it here.
I'm in complete agreement with what Ottawagrant said. I don't want to have to spend an hour after a fresh install removing apps/packages I don't want or need. I have no problem with any type of software being "offered" for install in some way, but I'd really like to see Linux Lite remain as lightweight as it is now with the default install.
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Our target audience are Windows users. Facebook features are seamlessly integrated into Windows 10. The most common complaint I get from my new group of Linux Lite converts (approaching 100 now) is the inadequacy and problematic usage of Facebook features in Linux Lite. They are not interested in other options, as most are long time Facebook users. The better integration Linux Lite has with Facebook, the more new users will become available, at least here in the US. There is room for improvement in the Ubuntu LTS version and I think it would be a worthwhile endeavor for this distro to improve its performance.
All that said, I do not use Facebook or social media other than Linux forums, e-mail, or text messaging.
TC
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Hey there, trinidad. I see that you're not a Facebook or other social disease user. I guess you can tell from my previous remark how I feel about social media. While I understand your comments about the "need" for an OS with Facebook features seamlessly integrated into it, I would be one of the very first to abandon Lite, or any OS, that installed by default any seamlessly integrated parts of any social media. I read the text on the Home page of the Lite website and saw this: "Easy to Use Free Linux Operating System". Then I read the Features and Support web pages. Everything I read about Linux Lite led me to believe it was a lightweight, but solid OS that was ready to use "out of the box" and didn't have any of the typical "bloat" that so many Linux distros have today. I don't see how it would be possible to continue to boast of the light weight of Lite if it came loaded with social media integration packed in the default install.
I use GIMP regularly, but I could easily understand GIMP being removed from the default install. The fact is that not a lot of users are going to be using GIMP. I could easily install GIMP myself after getting Lite installed and updated. I use FTP regularly also and I have no problem installing the FTP package of my choice.
I understand I'm a really new member of this forum and haven't even had Lite installed a week yet, so I understand if my opinion is taken a little lighter than some of the old timers on here. That's natural. I will point out that if I had read that Lite had social media integrated into it by default, I wouldn't even be here. I'm going to venture a guess that there are a LOT of Lite users and forum members that steer away from social media. It's no secret that all the social media sites have had, and still have, serious security issues. Some steal their users info to sell to anyone with the money to buy. Computers are regularly hijacked or infected during use of social media. We all know this to be true.
Bottom line is that I would have to leave Lite if a new version ever included any social media that is either integrated into the OS or even installed by default. I'm just that anti social, I guess.
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And Trinidad, smhardesty is correct. It is Linux Lite. It is wonderful. Why ruin it with highly
invasive or complicated software? Can't you access Twitter and Facebook and even some Feed Readers
through the browser? (I once was able to, but haven't been that SOCIAL lately, so forgive me if
I am in error.)
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Even when I was on Windows I only used the browser to access social media whether it was Fakebook or forums or anything else. What other applications would you use? We have Pidgin for all that chat stuff (including AOL, Skype, and Fakebook Messenger), what else is there for fakebook users anyway?
This is Linux anyway, and I think we ought to be promoting more privacy-respecting alternatives anyway (like Diaspora), but that's beside the point I guess. All the Fakebook users I know use only a web browser to access it, so I'm not sure what else is needed to "reach" users.
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Remember folks, this isn't about integrating social media applications into LL, I don't how you formulated that. It's about offering an application as an option in Lite Software.
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Yes Jerry. It is a good idea to include social media apps in Lite software. Thank you for all your efforts. I'm sure some of the annoying things about the FBapp will be better served in an XFCE DE.
et al: The way most ordinary computer users understand "security" is poignantly baffling to me, probably because old age has softened me a bit. I won't elaborate out of respect for this distro and this forum other than to say it is easier (less bloated code) to truly secure (harden) OS integrated applications. I once saw an acronymous explanation for Linux that read something like this: Learning In a New Usage Xperience. Seemed apt to me. Not loving MariaDB very much these days, but I accept that it is better.
TC
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Remember folks, ... It's about offering an application as an option in Lite Software.
Anything that might be helpful to new users is good in Lite Software. Other installing methods might be more confusing. Just keep it Lite. Just cover the basic needs for new users in included apps in iso. More advanced users can install other wanted apps or uninstall unwanted ones.
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Remember folks, this isn't about integrating social media applications into LL, I don't how you formulated that. It's about offering an application as an option in Lite Software.
Jerry,
OK, I have to admit that because I don't have a thing to do with any social media of any kind, I'm at a loss to fully understand what it means by "offering an application as an option in Lite Software". Wouldn't that software be available in Synaptic to install? Or are you referring to making that software available on the list in the "Lite Software" app? If that's the case, then no, I would have absolutely no objection. I don't even use the "Lite Software" app. I pop open Synaptic to do any software installs or removals.
I wouldn't want to discourage possible new users of Lite by not making social media apps easily available to them, for sure. The larger the user base, the greater the odds of Lite continuing on for all of us to use. So yes, if making something easily available in the "Lite Software" app would possibly improve the chances of a new user learning to like Linux Lite, then I'd say go for it.
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Perhaps a visual representation will help with specifics:
(http://i.imgur.com/fipX6Gz.png)
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OK. Yeah, that's what I thought after reading your previous reply. I totally misundetstood when I made my first post about this issue.
Now knowing exactly what you mean, yes, I'd cast a vote for the inclusion of any social media apps you guys feel merit being on the list. What somebody does to their Lite installation is their own business. If having those apps on the "Lite Software" list makes it easier for a Windows user to switch to Lite, then I say those apps most definitely need added. I add apps and packages to tweak my install to suit me and I think every Lite user should be able to do the same. I'm completely comfortable using Synaptic and adding repositories as I need to, but I certainly understand that some newcomers to Lite won't feel comfortable doing the same.
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I completely agree with any user having a choice on what they want to install on their computer. I would like to see a disclaimer or popup warning them on adding additional programs will require a level of hardware to accommodate the additional programs. I think this would be a middle ground for purest vs. new users.
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supergamer, this seems a reasonable compromise.
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That might be a warning that needs added anyway. A lot of new users are going to be old Windows users that don't fully understand hardware requirements or the increase in resources that some software will need. I can recall lots of experiences where a customer installed a program they either bought, or "borrowed" from a friend, and were then unable to run the software successfully.
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Social Media is definitely something I don't find a particular fondness of. However, the other people that I know of who definitely are social butterflies would love to have this option to install social software like this. Give the masses what they want. I'm in the minority because I don't really use stuff like this on a computer since I need more productive things to be done. The fun/social stuff I leave to my smartphone LG V20. It houses all of my social appy stuff.
Just to name a few that the others I know use in my circle of friends.
Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, Tumblr, Pinterest, Steam, LinkedIn, LINE Messenger (popular with Spanish speaking countries).
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Came across this recently http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/whatsapp-now-available-to-use-in-linux-through-web-browser.
Now that is something I am going to try as I am fed up trying to read the small print on my smart phone (HTC ONE) - Advancing years I am afraid. :(
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Like Teddy, I personally am no fan of social media, but there are many who are.
I suggest putting social media in Lite Software, so those who don't want it are happy (i.e. they don't need to delete it from the LL package), and those who want it can simply install it ...
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Perhaps a visual representation will help with specifics:
(http://i.imgur.com/fipX6Gz.png)
i dont see facebook messenger in the list i have, , maybe they will add it back in, i know this is a old topic, its now 2018, ha ha . :)
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This is an start. I am an social media marketer and an open source company owner. Y'all see the double negative?? Anyways I for one need social media apps to be on here so i can work . I woulfovr to see telegram
God not dead. He roaring like an lion.
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Perhaps a visual representation will help with specifics:
(http://i.imgur.com/fipX6Gz.png)
Perfect solution.
Since this topic was updated today, I checked to see if this method was how I installed it. It wasn't. I hope this doesn't cause any updating problems like caused by adding a repo for the Firefox version not from Ubuntu.
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Personally, I don't think that the software needs to be included, as most people just use the websites anyway. But, it may be a good idea to have a Firefox shortcut to Facebook on the desktop on a new installation. This would be good for getting new users used to links, but doesn't add size to the installation package. It is a better idea to show how to install the software; but that really just comes down to showing a new user the package manager.
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Personal opinions to one side.
If there are know "pre-established" hooks/calls at install,
and it is purely a "user" decision to "add" in Social Media,
Then I have know issue.
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In order to keep the distro light, all of those apps could be put on the "Lite Software" section, I mean, keep them handy in case you wish to install any, but not on your computer if you are not a fan of the app.
Thunderbird, Samba and the MDns utilities (for Apple devices) should be moved there, too.
I mean, keep them "Optional".
My opinion.
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In order to keep the distro light, all of those apps could be put on the "Lite Software" section, I mean, keep them handy in case you wish to install any, but not on your computer if you are not a fan of the app.
The thread title does say "Should Social Media applications be included in Lite Software"
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I don't like social media, at least the ones I know about.
But lots of people do, so including apps for the popular ones in Lite Software is fine, and advertise the fact if it'll bring people to LL.
There are apps already in Lite Software which I wouldn't touch, but I don't have to. So that's fine.
And I came to Linux and LL partly in search of more privacy and security, so we need to be mindful of not making it seem "just like Microsoft" etc. and putting people off.
Incidentally, I see Firefox now has a "Facebook Container" feature option, which isolates FB and its spy/cookies from other tabs.
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I also consider cloud services to be part of social networks because there people exchange links, files and even letters. Isn't it like in a social network? Therefore, if LL-users could see in Lite Software the ability to install Google Drive, for example, it would be great, since installing it causes problems for many users now.
Google drive has some inherent additional steps beyond install... Although 2 methods can be used for install albeit 1 of which being a PPA..
Tested methods:
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/installing-software/install-google-drive/msg39262/#msg39262 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/installing-software/install-google-drive/msg39262/#msg39262)
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I have already written a simple instruction on how to install a proper (with the indicator on the panel) Google cloud client (not a mounted folder!) easily and free of charge. I'll post it in the thread with your link a little later, since I have some personal things to do now.
Becomes a matter of preference - I prefer a mounted folder similar to a shared network folder vs. an icon but similarly Dropbox has the same.. Then there is the availability for offline access...
Those listed in the referenced thread were the 2 tried at the time.. Becomes a matter of ease of use, ease of install and ease to update. If any of those become cumbersome folks would most likely default to web access.
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LL is free and (mostly at least) open source software.
Social websites are just that, WEBsites. And IMHO they should be handled in web browser(s).Android and iOS programs have been shown to 'phone home'. I don't want that on my computer(s). So:Please keep it clean and simple.Avoid the temptation of bloatware.TIA
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A point worth considering may be that if something is listed in Lite Software the newcomer would likely see that as an endorsement of the listed software. I know I tended to when I came to LL first.
So perhaps a disclaimer to the effect "we include some apps by popular demand without endorsement as to privacy etc.". Otherwise there is the danger of being seen to offer a false sense of reassurance in apps which are attracting major media debate, especially in regard to mental health issues in young users. And of course privacy problems.
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The answer to the thread title is a 'Yes' from me.
I'm glad social media has not been pre-packaged in the LL 'iso' file. I'm not a fan of social media
(never used it), but would like to see it as an option for users, should they want it.
I agree with Searchnow's point that putting it in Lite Software endorses it for newbies ...
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A point worth considering may be that if something is listed in Lite Software the newcomer would likely see that as an endorsement of the listed software. I know I tended to when I came to LL first.
So perhaps a disclaimer to the effect "we include some apps by popular demand without endorsement as to privacy etc.". Otherwise there is the danger of being seen to offer a false sense of reassurance in apps which are attracting major media debate, especially in regard to mental health issues in young users. And of course privacy problems.
Certainly food for thought.
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Not a fan of social media either but families do use whatsapp from their phones, Being able to do that from a desktop would be convenient?
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I vote no.
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my 2cents........social media should be offered as an option only, but with the warning "Use at your own risk due to security risks." (in Caps and in red)
i have seen social media go from something fun to something to be avoided. i got my start with social media in 1995 and yahoo.
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Not a fan of social media either but families do use whatsapp from their phones, Being able to do that from a desktop would be convenient?
In terms of WhatsApp use on a computer it does not require an app. Using the internet you simply go to WhatsApp web where you’ll see a bar code. You then scan it with your phone and your “connected”. You must have your phone connected in order to use WA on the computer.
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With the prevalence of Social Media in the world, should we for convenience, include Social Media applications in Lite Software?
No, please!