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Title: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: barnaby on May 17, 2018, 03:52:50 AM
The new version of Linux Lite is due out soon. It is based on Ubuntu 18.04 and uses the Xfce desktop manager. I regularly read posts from https://www.dedoimedo.com/, which I find very informative. Recently he has been looking at Ubuntu 18.04 and various distros which are using it. The most recent is about the latest version of Xubuntu, which uses Xfce as the desktop manager. I think that people on this list would find his comments interesting. Especially the developers.

Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Mart on May 17, 2018, 08:23:37 AM
To be fair to the Xubuntu developers, as a community-based distro, they did have an issue with not enough people testing the 18.04 beta release in order to get adequate 'bug fix' feedback, which I suppose compounded the already underlining issues inherent with the Ubuntu 18.04 release itself.

Here is the Xubuntu 18.04 beta release announcement -

https://xubuntu.org/news/testing-for-xubuntu/

I'm sure Sean Davis and the rest of his team will improve things rapidly, which I think is already happening.

My rule of thumb is - try to allow a couple of months for the developers to shake out the bugs of any new Linux release - although I wouldn't include LL in this regard, which always seems to work perfectly right off the bat due to Jerry's dedication and the great community support it receives.

 
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: barnaby on May 17, 2018, 09:40:54 AM
Yes, I also normally let some time pass after a new release is out, before installing it. I am pleased to see that this should not be a problem with LL. I am hopeful that LL 4.0 will, as you say, work well straight away. I have a laptop which I use for testing so I will just install there first to see how it all goes. I can see why it is necessary, but it will be a fresh new installation and not an upgrade. That is always more work, but I should be used to that after using Linux for 19 years now. Roll on June.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: TheDead on May 18, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
From my first trial of the new Xubuntu, it's still a "naked" distro but are leaning even more to the likes of Linux Lite and Linux Mint.
Guess Linux Lite is on the right path. ;)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: NN on May 18, 2018, 05:37:20 PM
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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: TheDead on May 19, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
I was speaking more of the general look and feel. It's quite subjective I know. ;)
16.04 was icky... 18.04 Xubuntu is o.k.. for me...
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: napsix65 on May 26, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
After using LL for a long time, I got to know MX Linux and I doubt that I will use Linux Lite again. In MX linux, I have everything a newbie needs. In addition to a fast system, in MX I find a system with many applications that Lite never found, I am really very comfortable and satisfied with MX Linux.
Thank you Linux Lite for your work that you enjoy for quite some time. Successes and the best so that Lite continues to grow.  8)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: NN on May 27, 2018, 02:25:54 PM
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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Moltke on May 28, 2018, 10:06:34 AM
After using LL for a long time, I got to know MX Linux and I doubt that I will use Linux Lite again. In MX linux, I have everything a newbie needs. In addition to a fast system, in MX I find a system with many applications that Lite never found, I am really very comfortable and satisfied with MX Linux.
Thank you Linux Lite for your work that you enjoy for quite some time. Successes and the best so that Lite continues to grow.  8)

I also tried MX Linux, it was in a VM but as far as I can tell it is quite a good distro. 
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: TheDead on May 28, 2018, 11:18:30 AM
Heya!

I'm sorry to see you go guys! :(

As for MX, I do not agree that MX is a "newbie" OS, I saw it mentionned a few times in these forum so I tried it. Here's a quick review :

MX Linux 17.1 x32 (On VBox - i5-7thGen, 2cores, 1.5G RAM, 10G SSD. NB : This is like all my Linux x32 test VMs).

Some of the options can be confusing and/or scary.
I have some experience and even I was a little lost sometimes.
Just in the installer and updater there are some options that could probably brick the install. (Example, leaving grub options to the user, etc.)

Uniformity of interfaces is strange, some parts looking like OS/2 or Windows 95!
(There is no boot splash screen, showing the boot "text". It's ok for that "old school" feel but we're 2018 ;) - ADD : This could be a VirtualBox issue, I did not install on hardware).

In my quick tour, I found that some choices for apps were interesting other a little less, but this is still the MX strong point. Unfortunately, the experience was not without problems. The interface hanged on me, I could move the mouse but clicks didn't register, had to reboot.
ADD : Had the machine hang on boot also, this seems to occur in about one-of-five boot. It could be related to Kernels updates but contrary to problems I had in the past, this one is intermitent so could be something completely different. v. 4.15.0

Also, I had to manually re-add the updater icon which did not show after install. This worked once, then when clicked opened the synaptics package manager, closed it.
When clicked again... nothing happened. After reboot, was able to right click and select "Check Updates", it opened a terminal, closed it, no warning or anything. Maybe it was done, maybe not, did not care at that point.

I did not look that much but there are only an nVidia/Wireless driver tools? What about the other drivers?

Anyhoo, MX feels like a Linux Lite "Light/Core" or something for tablets and sometimes feel like it's not XFCE but OpenBox or something. Would not suggest to the "standard" Windows user, except if there still on Windows 95 with an old PC. Even then, seing it's only about 10-20MB lighter on RAM than LiLi 3.8 x32, I would probably suggest Peppermint before MX. MX is "interesting" though, but I won't give it another go until their version 18.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: NN on May 28, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: napsix65 on May 30, 2018, 11:03:11 AM
in Ubuntu 18.04 I also found applications inconsistent. UCK does not work on ubuntu 18.04, cubic does not work on ubuntu 18.04 ....... If they do not work on ubuntu 18.04, they will not work on Lite 4.0 either. So much capacity that Lite developers have, they should have already created an application to replace Systemd. MX linux has its own Snapshot application and does not depend on third-party applications. I would not use Linux Lite as a permanent distro.  :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: napsix65 on May 30, 2018, 11:16:00 AM
THEDEAD, your experience with MX linux is very rare. Actually, I never had problems with MX linux 64 bits. I do not really need a welcome screen, it's not relevant. The only thing that I agree with you, is the lack of drivers, only for nvidia. My notebook has an intel i3, video intel, and I have not had to install its proprietary driver, but I understand that if it subtracts some points to MX in that sense. If I had to leave MX linux, I would probably go back to Xubuntu, not LL.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: muyfeo on May 30, 2018, 02:40:11 PM
Linux Lite, of the worst distro if any. I would never recommend such a bad distro.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: NN on May 30, 2018, 03:10:37 PM
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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: NN on May 30, 2018, 03:27:17 PM
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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: mdiemer on May 30, 2018, 08:59:06 PM
Linux Lite, of the worst distro if any. I would never recommend such a bad distro.

Ridiculous. I have tested around 20 different Linux distros. After all that, Linux Lite has distinguished itself as the most stable, most intuitive, most Windows-friendly and just all around satisfying of them all. I won't mention other distros, as it is this forum's policy not to do so, but it would be nice if people would actually read the posting rules, so we don't have the kind of distractions evident in this thread.

And as for this post, good grief, get a life!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: m654321 on May 31, 2018, 05:38:53 AM
Linux Lite, of the worst distro if any. I would never recommend such a bad distro.

Nonsense

"A bad workman always blames his tools", as the saying goes
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: ve9cbc on May 31, 2018, 05:58:31 AM
Just installed it - and it runs beautifully! Will take a little while to get used to the new design (minutes probably), but it is quite the nice upgrade in look, feel and design.

As for 'flamers' on the forum: if you reply to them - all you're going to do is encourage them to 'flame' more. Why sink to their level? Besides: their are many versions of GNU/Linux out there. If you don't like this version - change to one that you like. Try changing Windows or OS X internally; the results will be evident.  :D
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: dihonomo on May 31, 2018, 08:38:33 AM
Hi, I also just installed LL 4.0 (found a link to the release ISO at Distrowatch) and simply *love* it!

Been on MX-17.1 previously, but because of some system lock-ups I needed a light distro based on Ubuntu 18.04 so here I go...  No problems so far  8)

THANK YOU!!!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: TheDead on June 01, 2018, 10:06:46 AM
Linux Lite, of the worst distro if any. I would never recommend such a bad distro.
Ridiculous. I have tested around 20 different Linux distros. After all that, Linux Lite has distinguished itself as the most stable, most intuitive, most Windows-friendly and just all around satisfying of them all. I won't mention other distros, as it is this forum's policy not to do so, but it would be nice if people would actually read the posting rules, so we don't have the kind of distractions evident in this thread.

Erm, maybe there is another thread somewhere so correct me if I'm wrong but I just re-read the forum rules and there is no mention about other distros.
Unless you are speaking about spamming/publicity? With hundreds of distros, it would be hard not to mention what others are doing and everybody is free to their opinions... of course sometimes this can be boderline publicity to moderators could have to step in.
As the saying goes since the olden days: "Don't feed the troll!" :P

As for new versions of distros (even on other platforms), I personnaly ALWAYS wait for the first revision .1 or service pack. The ONLY exception is Linux Lite, it has just been the most stable for me. And, no, I'm not related to this distro, I just like it! ;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: mdiemer on June 01, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
Linux Lite, of the worst distro if any. I would never recommend such a bad distro.
Ridiculous. I have tested around 20 different Linux distros. After all that, Linux Lite has distinguished itself as the most stable, most intuitive, most Windows-friendly and just all around satisfying of them all. I won't mention other distros, as it is this forum's policy not to do so, but it would be nice if people would actually read the posting rules, so we don't have the kind of distractions evident in this thread.

Erm, maybe there is another thread somewher so correct me if I'm wrong but I just re-read the forum rules and there is no mention about other distros.
Unless you are speaking about spamming/publicity? With hundreds of distros, it would be hard not to mention what others are doing and everybody is free to their opinions... of course sometimes this can be boderline publicity to moderators could have to step in.
As the saying goes since the olden days: "Don't feed the troll!" :P

As for new versions of distros (even on other platforms), I personnaly ALWAYS wait for the first revision .1 or service pack. The ONLY exception is Linux Lite, it has just been the most stable for me. And, no, I'm not related to this distro, I just like it! ;)

Cheers!

Well, I guess you got me. I did see something to this effect somewhere on this forum, possibly from Jerry himself. I assumed it must have been in the rules, but did not go back to them to verify. But I know I saw it here somewhere.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 02, 2018, 11:16:01 PM
Hey gang,
I need some help.  I loved LL 3.6 and just installed 4.0 on my trusty 10-yr old HP laptop. For some reason my boot time is now painfully slow...like over 6 minutes slow!  I've reinstalled a few times, but it did not help. 

Can you guys suggest a fix?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Jerry on June 02, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
Hey gang,
I need some help.  I loved LL 3.6 and just installed 4.0 on my trusty 10-yr old HP laptop. For some reason my boot time is now painfully slow...like over 6 minutes slow!  I've reinstalled a few times, but it did not help. 

Can you guys suggest a fix?


Did you read the release notes?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 03, 2018, 10:56:25 AM
I did not read the release notes, but I watched the installation video.   Where do I find the release notes and what should I be looking for in them?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Jerry on June 03, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
Always read the release notes before installing an operating system. It's analogous to eating a food without reading the ingredients.

https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/release-announcements/linux-lite-4-0-final-released/ (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/release-announcements/linux-lite-4-0-final-released/) Performance Tips
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: thoughtinstinct on June 03, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
Awesome work Jerry and the team. Absolutely love the flat design, look of LL 4.0 and the general organisation of menu items etc.  Made a new install on 2 laptops and a desktop, all running smooth as silk.

Congrats on job well done. Can't believe we are getting all this for free. We owe you guys massively !
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 03, 2018, 12:42:29 PM
Thank you Jerry.
Yes, I rushed through the installation like the mindless Win-doze snoozer that I have been for decades.
Guess I got overly excited.
 ::)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 03, 2018, 09:38:52 PM
Okay I removed virtualbox as the release notes instructed and that shortened my boot time from 6 minutes to 5. That's better but it's still pretty slow. My laptop is 10 yeard old so I'm not expecting 30 second boot times, but do you guys have any other ideas that might speed things up?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Jerry on June 03, 2018, 11:06:54 PM
What's the output of:

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systemd-analyze blame
and

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systemd-analyze critical-chain
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 05, 2018, 11:58:45 PM
systemd-analyze blame
         31.763s lightdm.service
         31.754s plymouth-quit-wait.service
         10.906s dev-sda1.device
         10.889s systemd-journal-flush.service
          9.671s ufw.service
          8.934s lvm2-monitor.service
          8.237s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
          6.581s systemd-sysctl.service
          6.460s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          4.556s NetworkManager.service
          4.196s keyboard-setup.service
          4.082s udisks2.service
          3.821s grub-common.service
          3.567s ModemManager.service
          2.407s accounts-daemon.service
          2.320s thermald.service
          2.305s networkd-dispatcher.service
          2.138s systemd-modules-load.service
          2.018s hddtemp.service
          1.554s polkit.service
          1.371s [email protected]
          1.193s apport.service
          1.186s avahi-daemon.service
lines 1-23...skipping...
         31.763s lightdm.service
         31.754s plymouth-quit-wait.service
         10.906s dev-sda1.device
         10.889s systemd-journal-flush.service
          9.671s ufw.service
          8.934s lvm2-monitor.service
          8.237s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
          6.581s systemd-sysctl.service
          6.460s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          4.556s NetworkManager.service
          4.196s keyboard-setup.service
          4.082s udisks2.service
          3.821s grub-common.service
          3.567s ModemManager.service
          2.407s accounts-daemon.service
          2.320s thermald.service
          2.305s networkd-dispatcher.service
          2.138s systemd-modules-load.service
          2.018s hddtemp.service
          1.554s polkit.service
          1.371s [email protected]
          1.193s apport.service
          1.186s avahi-daemon.service
          1.168s iio-sensor-proxy.service
          1.161s bluetooth.service
          1.143s alsa-restore.service
          1.142s console-kit-log-system-start.service
          1.142s ubiquity.service
          1.127s pppd-dns.service
          1.120s rsyslog.service
          1.116s gpu-manager.service
           932ms motd-news.service
           775ms upower.service
           645ms dev-mqueue.mount
           614ms systemd-remount-fs.service
           587ms dev-hugepages.mount


systemd-analyze critical-chain
The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @53.003s
└─lightdm.service @21.239s +31.763s
  └─systemd-user-sessions.service @21.229s +7ms
    └─network.target @21.226s
      └─NetworkManager.service @16.667s +4.556s
        └─dbus.service @15.675s
          └─basic.target @15.627s
            └─sockets.target @15.627s
              └─acpid.socket @15.626s
                └─sysinit.target @15.527s
                  └─systemd-timesyncd.service @15.207s +320ms
                    └─systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service @15.002s +177ms
                      └─systemd-journal-flush.service @4.111s +10.889s
                        └─systemd-remount-fs.service @3.493s +614ms
                          └─systemd-journald.socket @3.425s
                            └─system.slice @3.424s
                              └─-.slice @3.057s

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Jerry on June 06, 2018, 01:51:28 AM
@bermudalite looks like your HDD (age) could be the culprit here. Would be interesting to see what your boot time would be with a modern SSD.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: bermudalite on June 06, 2018, 09:01:49 PM
I figured as much.  Guess it might be time to retire the old boy.   :'(
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: Jerry on June 06, 2018, 09:24:23 PM
I would pick up a cheap SSD, it's a great laptop upgrade choice.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: coltman151 on June 28, 2018, 02:55:17 AM
First post! I just upgraded my 8 year old Acer Aspire to an older Intel SSD. Rather than cloning the old drive, I went to add LL to the new one and realized 4.0 was released. I'm in love with the flat theme, and all the new icons. Anyhow, I seen the discussion of boot times and thought I'd chime in with mine. I'll try to list all the tweaks I did, in case anyone is interested.

-Changed scheduler to Noop
-added noatime to the root partition

I rebooted, and came up with a 23 second boot time. Not bad. However, I ran systemd-analyze and found out that 7 seconds was waiting on the Networkmanager-wait-online service, and 5 seconds was waiting on Samba. I disabled the wait online service, and uninstalled samba (I have no windows computers, anywhere). You can see from the attachment, LL 4.0 is capable of some pretty good boot times even on old, cheap hardware.

EDIT: My attachment didn't show up, but here's the output of systemd-analyze

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systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 6.250s (kernel) + 4.683s (userspace) = 10.933s
graphical.target reached after 4.664s in userspace
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: m654321 on June 28, 2018, 06:07:47 AM
added noatime to the root partition

Coltman151, I was interested to see that you used "noatime" in your fstab file, to improve the reading/writing speeds of your SSD. I assume it's not in LL's fstab file by default because some users have an HDD instead of  an SSD. This prompted me to look at my own fstab file which looks like this, showing LL installed as root on sda2, and my DATA partition installed at sda7 [setup(1) in signature below]:

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# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda2 during installation
UUID=0db21fa8-d5a6-47e5-9e94-9795e9486c63 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
/swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
# Automount partition, named G750_DATA at /dev/sda7, on booting as /media/DATA
UUID=0096b252-a4dd-43cd-bbe5-a4590da43c44 /media/DATA  ext4   defaults,noatime,auto 0     2


To add "noatime" to the root partition, as you have done, should I do it like this:  UUID=0db21fa8-d5a6-47e5-9e94-9795e9486c63 /    ext4    noatime,errors=remount-ro  0       1                     
Also should I add "defaults", as I've done for the DATA partition like this: UUID=0db21fa8-d5a6-47e5-9e94-9795e9486c63 /    ext4    defaults,noatime,errors=remount-ro  0       1   


Any feedback greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: coltman151 on July 01, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
Sorry for the slow reply! noatime is more for SSD longevity than speed, as it cuts out some extra writes that EXT4 do. However, here's my fstab file.

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# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=bd37f809-d366-4403-b977-c577adb3729c /               ext4    noatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
/swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0

It's my understanding that defaults shouldn't be there unless there are no other options.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0
Post by: m654321 on July 02, 2018, 07:21:49 AM
@coltman151

Many thanks for your reply, much appreciated, and for pointing out that noatime reduces wear-and-tear on the SSD by reducing the number of writes, and not speed ...

Have a great day  8)


Mike