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Title: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 04, 2018, 07:59:31 AM
Hi everyone,

LETS DO THIS!

I'm now taking suggestions for new features in Linux Lite 4.0

What constitutes a good suggestion? (I'm going to number these so that I can help point out to those who make a suggestion that doesn't fit the below criteria)

1. An idea that benefits the majority. Personal ideas can be good, but remember, they are preferences personal to you.
2. Software, features, additions to existing software that will benefit most people.
3. New wallpapers: must be a minimum of 1080p, and less than 1mb, excellent quality (no pixelation) that has general appeal. Only png's and jpegs will be accepted and you must provide the actual source and accompanied license in a url.
4. Additions to the Help Manual. These are always welcome.
5. Avoid software that requires a PPA.
6. Cross platform software that computer users know of or use - must work on Mac Linux & Windows.

Example of a good suggestion:

I was thinking about adding a media multi converter to Lite Software. It will convert images, video, audio, documents etc. I think this is something that would benefit a lot of people.
Source - https://sites.google.com/site/ffmulticonverter/ (https://sites.google.com/site/ffmulticonverter/)

(https://i.imgur.com/2nJuuNQ.png)

What stays the same during a Series? (I'm going to assign a letter to these so that I can help point out to those who make a suggestion that doesn't fit the below criteria)

Usually the following:

a. Boot splash
b. Login screen
c. Grub
d. Default theme and icon set
e. Menu and menu structure
f. File manager, Terminal, Browser, Email client etc

I will read and consider every post in this thread. Please don't get disconcerted if I don't reply to your post. There is the chance I may think your idea would be better suited to the next Series for example.

A big thank you from me and the developers :)

Jerry
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: justme2 on February 04, 2018, 08:40:38 AM
Definitely recommend FF Multi Converter - I have installed it on LL series 2 and 3 with no problems and use it regularly.  :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: trinidad on February 05, 2018, 04:38:01 PM
Been doing a fair amount of Debian triage lately and have finally grown immensely frustrated enough with the tedious optical disk install method. As it happens, largely out of that frustration I came to use the Ubuntu write to disk application to prepare four USBs with bootable Debian 9 net install ISOs and all worked perfectly enough that I handed off some of the effort to a helper at the shop. I am curious why such an easy to use Ubuntu application is not native in LL. Far better than I expected it to be. Perhaps it deserves consideration for inclusion in 4.0. Perhaps related on another note I noticed  the "back in time" repos are seriously out of date. Probably not a good choice for LL in the future. Onward as usual with the S-M debgluck hesitant to apt pin firefox in Debian on machines I rarely come in contact with just to get the newer more fully mitigated versions.

PS: Will try compiling blacksmith tomorrow in LL.

TC
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: dlalinsp on February 05, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
How about better support for Intel HD Graphics. XFCE 4 has a few problems with it, even with the display compositor turned on. Also how about adding Intel Graphics Update Toolto Lite Software Repo.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on February 06, 2018, 09:10:53 AM
How about better support for Intel HD Graphics. XFCE 4 has a few problems with it, even with the display compositor turned on. Also how about adding Intel Graphics Update Toolto Lite Software Repo.


There is the Intel graphics stack that is for the Intel HD, it requires Linux hardware headers to make this work/of benefit above 1024x768 resolution, I don't know if in LL4 series there will be these headers.
I tried many other distros to see if any had these in the default release and none did at the time I tried, several  months ago.
I have not check more recently.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: trinidad on February 06, 2018, 09:31:05 AM
I recently installed an Ubuntu16.04 LTS OS on a newer Intel box for someone and after detecting the hardware it installed the 4.13 kernel. This is part of a sudden new cooperation with Intel concerning its graphics stack. S-M is causing doors to open that were previously closed and outdated.

TC
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: casino888 on February 06, 2018, 07:30:54 PM
Something I would like to see in LL4 would be a usb writer and formater similar to the one in Linux Mint,it is simple and very easy to use and works first time every time,far easier to use than say Unetbootin in the Buntus !
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Artim on February 06, 2018, 08:06:32 PM
Something I would like to see in LL4 would be a usb writer and formater similar to the one in Linux Mint,it is simple and very easy to use and works first time every time,far easier to use than say Unetbootin in the Buntus !

Ralphy has made MintStick and other cool tools available for Linux Lite users!  I love that formatter/writer.  See my signature for the link to "Cool Tools."
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: tek10 on February 06, 2018, 08:27:35 PM
While it might not technically meet the criteria, I'd like to see Etcher included. I've been using it since last summer and it works great!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: torreydale on February 08, 2018, 02:41:45 PM
I've helped several people make the switch to Linux, and I think it would be nice to adopt an OEM install like the Linux Mint distribution.  With that, one can give a new user a computer, and that user can create their own username, password, hostname, etc.  For them, it is a familiar experience to starting up a brand new computer.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on February 08, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
I've helped several people make the switch to Linux, and I think it would be nice to adopt an OEM install like the Linux Mint distribution.  With that, one can give a new user a computer, and that user can create their own username, password, hostname, etc.  For them, it is a familiar experience to starting up a brand new computer.

You mean something like SysPrep on Windows... I must say it's a good idea. I'm still getting to know Linux but I guess the LL team will be able to tell you if it's possible I guess.
Following up on the idea, I again don't know if it's possible but could the Lite Welcome "detect" it's in Live mode and show a Bigass button to start the installer from there (also hiding the Install Update, etc. buttons), this would simplify things even further.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: ian_r_h on February 09, 2018, 06:42:26 AM
Just a thought, but regarding the default setup of the terminal with regards to the mv, cp and rm commands - for the uninitiated move, copy or remove file(s)/folder(s).

Running the alias command (alias mv, alias cp or alias rm) shows that there is no alias set up for the three commands.  As I understand it, this means that anyone (especially a fellow newbie) using any command on one or more files or folders may accidentally move, copy-and-overwrite, or delete files and folders.

Might it be worth either:
1)  Setting up aliases to include the -i parameter such that mv, cp and rm operations by default prompt for confirmation; and noting in the manual that you can use \mv or \cp or \rm instead when performing multiple operations in one go to avoid prompts, or,
2)  Make explicitly clear in the manual that mv, cp and rm as it stands will overwrite or delete existing file(s) or folder(s)?

Apologies if I have made any mistakes here - I'm just starting out with the terminal basics.  Minor point anyway, I expect.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: newtusmaximus on February 09, 2018, 08:09:47 AM
Jerry, I know your feelings about all things G.  I wonder however whether you would sort out Google Earth for linux so it can be loaded with ease from a ppa .
I note your point 5)   BUT there is no alternative to street view which is an invaluable tool.  No Linux alternative AFAIK.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Vera on February 09, 2018, 12:27:11 PM
Please replace the startup Boot Splash screen wallpaper.

Replace the white-feather-on-yellow-background for startup boot splash with either of the two new Linux Lite wallpapers, such as the image shown by @Jerry  in the Linux Lite 3.6 release notes (reproduced below).

Reason this change would benefit the majority of users: A more modern yet LL-specific wallpaper was included in the new wallpapers from LL 3.6 onward (i.e. as seen in image shown below). Because of this change, why not add this more modern image to the boot splash screen also? First impressions are important, and ALL USERS see the startup boot splash screen! So modernizing this every-time experience with the flat design shown below will be of benefit to all users.

(http://i.imgur.com/VlkE2KJ.png)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: r00tacc3ss on February 09, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
I have a small suggestion for the 4.x series: I suggest changing the default icons from Faenza to Obsidian. Faenza doesn't seem to be maintained anymore, and does not have icons for newer applications. Obsidian is a fork of Faenza (and is actively maintained), so the old look people are used to with Faenza will be maintained. As an example, Obsidian has the new Firefox Quantum icon with the square Faenza look.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: humdinger70 on February 11, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
One thing that I would like to see is the ability to upgrade major versions of LL (from the current 3.X to 4.X) without having to do a full install (as was necessary with going from the LL2 to LL3 series). I first started using LL at the 3.2 release and then used your 'Lite Upgrade' function to go through the different iterations of 'citrine' (3.2->3.4->3.6->3.8 ).

Can 'Lite Upgrade' be fixed to handle the conversion from 3.8->4.0? Since LL is based on Ubuntu (16.04) and they can do updates from different versions (this computer initially had Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on it and their update process allowed an upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS), can't LL be fixed to do the same?

I'm probably not the only one who's asked about this.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: osde8info on February 13, 2018, 06:06:31 AM
add pinta
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: osde8info on February 13, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
remove requirements for proprietary driver and software restricted and pre-release repos
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: manel on February 14, 2018, 02:55:31 AM
Add default flatpak support comand line and GUI.

Actually there are some software only available in flatpak format and it seems that in the future more applications will follow this tendency.

For example: I have manually install flatpak to be able to use gradio (excelent radio aplication) or Lollypop music player.

Thank you for all your work.
Manel
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: noariad on February 16, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Hello,

Suggestion, please add dockbarx and its xfce4 panel plugin, please  8)

Awsome job ! thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on February 16, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
remove requirements for proprietary driver and software restricted and pre-release repos
I'm not sure I get this one, can you eleborate on this please?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on February 16, 2018, 05:10:03 PM
pre-release repos
I'm not sure I get this one, can you eleborate on this please?

Cheers!

the Ubuntu proposed ?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Vera on February 19, 2018, 12:25:02 PM
Hi, I'd like to point out a problem that all new Windows users migrating to LL for the first time will face. This is literally just about every user, unless they deal with no image files ever. Here it is:

What are we (the LL community) expecting ex-Windows users to do on a fresh LL install when they need to make a very simple edit to an image for the first time (e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize)? This can happen quite early on in their LL usage, when they're still not-so-familiar with the system.

With a current fresh LL installation, if you have just switched over from Windows, those users will be storing their vacation pics, family pics, whatever, under the Pictures folder in their linux home directory, just like they did in Windows - so far, so good. Then they decide to resize a few of them to send to grandma via email (who doesn't do social media), or just need a simple crop or rotate. What are we expecting these users to do?

They could click on the image to open it, and find out that, oh, I can only VIEW it that way. I can't DO anything to it.

By contrast, in Windows, as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong), you can do simple crops and rotations and resize without expecting the user to actually open Photoshop.

Likewise, I feel that in LL 4.0 there should be a way to do that, which:


I realize we can't expect to predict every eventuality that every Windows user might want, but it seems to me that this (simple image edits) would be a fairly reasonable expectation by ex-Windows users.

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: kissbaby3 on February 19, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
Hi, I'd like to point out a problem that all new Windows users migrating to LL for the first time will face. This is literally just about every user, unless they deal with no image files ever. Here it is:

What are we (the LL community) expecting ex-Windows users to do on a fresh LL install when they need to make a very simple edit to an image for the first time (e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize)? This can happen quite early on in their LL usage, when they're still not-so-familiar with the system.

With a current fresh LL installation, if you have just switched over from Windows, those users will be storing their vacation pics, family pics, whatever, under the Pictures folder in their linux home directory, just like they did in Windows - so far, so good. Then they decide to resize a few of them to send to grandma via email (who doesn't do social media), or just need a simple crop or rotate. What are we expecting these users to do?

They could click on the image to open it, and find out that, oh, I can only VIEW it that way. I can't DO anything to it.

By contrast, in Windows, as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong), you can do simple crops and rotations and resize without expecting the user to actually open Photoshop.

Likewise, I feel that in LL 4.0 there should be a way to do that, which:

  • comes pre-bundled in the LL 4.0 release (i.e. does not require a download from Synaptic Package Manager)
  • is user-friendly and modern-looking
  • does not require the user to open Gimp. That would be like expecting a Windows user to open Photoshop every time they want to just crop or resize.

I realize we can't expect to predict every eventuality that every Windows user might want, but it seems to me that this (simple image edits) would be a fairly reasonable expectation by ex-Windows users.

Gimp is fine, so i think having it is a good idea, they should have this maybe pre-installed with the future LL 4.0, its called "Pinta", not sure if its still being supported, its not perfect, but works for me , i am currently using LL 3.8, it works ok, check it out.
https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/

as for people wanting to jump over to LL from windows, if they only have one PC, then they should get a new PC, that way they can install LL on their older PC and have time to play around with it , i say this because not every PC comes with a activation sticker on the PC, sometimes they have to dig it out of the motherboard by using a command line by using the "run" command, then calling microsoft and checking to see if that sticker activation key is the right one, just in case they go back to windows (if they only have one PC), this is why i always have 2 PC's around, one windows (as a possible back up) and one PC as a linux pc, and yes one can always dual boot, but a large percentage of people are too skittish to try that because of the fact they only have one PC.........

this is what i am going to attempt to do for my uncle, he is going to buy a new windows PC, so i told him, to keep his old PC and let me see if i can install some kind of Linux flavor on it (hopefully LL) , that way if his windows PC has issue's(since it will be under warranty) ha ha , he will have a linux PC as Back up, the one he is soon replacing now has the Old windows XP, which is now infected, so i told him to come to my house if he needs too, till he buys a new PC. poor old guy, i just want to hug him, he is  jonzing , lol.

just thought i share this , hugs every one.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Oobuntus on February 19, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
I am inclined to agree with Vera.
I always install gThumb to fill that vacancy, even though I also depend heavily on Gimp.
Unfortunately, gThumb is another one of those apps that use Client Side Decorations. CSDs quite offend me because they mess up the uniformity of my theming.
But fortunately, I can also install gtk3-nocsd from the webupd8 PPA.
Linux = happy.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 19, 2018, 05:01:55 PM
Agree with the image viewer. A good example of a clear, comparative, good suggestion. Open to suggestions, as long as it honours the default theme - ie. no CSD as mentioned by @Oobuntus gThumb and EOG have CSD's.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 19, 2018, 05:25:50 PM
Something that is super light that I've just tried is Gpicview:

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sudo apt-get install gpicview
Nomacs is quite good too:

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sudo apt-get install nomacs
in a test machine.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on February 19, 2018, 08:08:48 PM
Something that is super light that I've just tried is Gpicview:

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sudo apt-get install gpicview
Nomacs is quite good too:

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sudo apt-get install nomacs
in a test machine.

I don't have my Linux tonight :( .. but GPicView seems like what I was looking for and looks so... "Windowsesque" ;)
nomacs seems more professional but seems to be in two parts? a paint and a viewer/quick edit programs?
Pinta looks more like a paint program than a quick-edit program I was looking for. I don't really like Gimp, I a graphics designer and use PhotoShop but can never get the grips on Gimpl Adobe Photoshop is not user-friendly and Gimp is worse.

Krita seems like a reaaally cool paint/illustration program, I haven't tried it yet. But, I'm guessing it's too heavy on resources.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Oobuntus on February 19, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Nomacs functionality is good. It may serve some folks better than gThumb. Unfortunately, nomacs does not honor Appearance settings. Gpicview does, but it is not the equal to either nomacs or gThumb. These are subjective observations.
It would be interesting to hear Vera's comments on the three.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 20, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
+1 for nomacs

So far I had installed gthumb on all machines I set up. Will replace it with nomacs. It's more user friendly and some features a lot better. Would be great to have it as default.


Thanks for the tip, Jerry
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 20, 2018, 08:02:40 AM
Suggestion: move ~/.conky folder as conky (non hidden) to ~/.config/
for the sake of keeping home clean and structured.


Thanks for your consideration
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 20, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Suggestion: move ~/.conky folder as conky (non hidden) to ~/.config/
for the sake of keeping home clean and structured.


Thanks for your consideration

Conky is being moved to the system directories and will have it's own package:)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Vera on February 20, 2018, 09:40:41 AM
About image viewer, I have 3 suggestions below. I had to look up CSD which apparently is something about the program not honoring the native window settings? That was a little beyond me as I wouldn't know how to tell just by looking if something has CSD or not, sorry for my lack of knowledge. Anyway though, I have been doing research on pic viewers that can handle very basic edits, and I do have suggestions below, along with my screenshots so that people can see them.

Like @Oobuntus I also use gThumb (I set my images to default to open with it) but from what @Jerry said I completely understand it's not a viable option for LL 4.0.
 
I also tried GPicView that Jerry suggested, but I couldn't find a way to do crop or resize with it, although it can do rotation.

Here are the 3 options (one of these is Nomacs, which others have also suggested). I've included 2 pics for each: 1 pic showing the application "as is" and the other pic showing what users would click on to crop or resize. Please correct me if any have CSD; I don't know how to tell by looking.

My opinion: of these 3, I like Mirage by far the best, mainly because it's just what's needed from a simple viewer that can handle minor edits. I wasn't as keen on Nomacs or on Phototonic because a) the menus look old-style and b) they're able to do "too much" and then not only is it a slightly more confusing UX for new Windows users, but also then it gets closer into Pinta and Krita.  I feel that would be steering further away from minor edits and getting into something a little bit more complicated and closer to Gimp, which is not necessary. That was just my personal opinion though; I realize that this is subjective. Phototonic's crop tool is not very intuitive, so although it can technically crop, it's not as easy to use as the other two for that.

I also tried out Viewnior, but it can't handle resizing (or at least I couldn't figure out how to get it to do that).

The following are available in Synaptic (or at least, that's where I got them from):

1. Mirage:

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/gyuiduorpychiq6lftxg.jpg)

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/uyctzg9ddpdkpauo3zij.jpg)


2. Nomacs:

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/wphfdfqpd1qvlty4fs8q.jpg)

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/rj1abevri7xmnn7qjwse.jpg)


3. Phototonic:

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/ycycnz3nfzmh1uhw2lix.jpg)

(https://images.vingle.net/upload/t_ca_xl/amexjtvlvhbxkqaxvd7p.jpg)

The black box on the top of the window is just me obscuring the full path of the image.



Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: napsix65 on February 20, 2018, 12:32:43 PM
MX Linux, and it's all said. do not look for more suggestions, check MX Linux and you will have millions of things to improve. ;D
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: ptyerman on February 20, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
Rubbish! Tried MX-17 only the other day and found it annoying at the least. It doesn't come even close to Linux Lite for aesthetics or usability, that task bar monstrosity is horrible! Each to their own though, not everyone likes the same things. I really hope Linux Lite doesn't become more like MX!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Oobuntus on February 20, 2018, 02:28:23 PM
Regarding the image viewer suggestion, I have reviewed all four alternatives to gThumb and agree with Vera that Mirage best satisfies the suggestion for inclusion in LL4. It does have one minor flaw, however. Although 'Use last chosen directory' is the default, the user must still click the 'Open Image' icon to open and display the last chosen directory. Perhaps the dev will do something about that before LL4 is released.
For non-Gimp activity, I shall continue to use gThumb or FastStone Image Viewer according to whim.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Coastie on February 20, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Rubbish! Tried MX-17 only the other day and found it annoying at the least. It doesn't come even close to Linux Lite for aesthetics or usability, that task bar monstrosity is horrible! Each to their own though, not everyone likes the same things. I really hope Linux Lite doesn't become more like MX!

We are getting off topic here but in defense of my second favorite distro, MX-17, these complaints are easily modified in the settings. I do wonder why the default setting for the panel is Deskbar instead of horizontal on the bottom as most XFCE DE distros. Apparently they have complaints about the panel orientation enough the have a tweak tool in addition to XFCE setting to easily change it.

Of course Linux Lite is my favorite distro but I still customize the appearance to my taste rather than the way it comes out of the box. One of the advantages of the XFCE DE.  8)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Ottawagrant on February 22, 2018, 09:06:59 AM
This may end up being a Linux Lite series 5 Vs. series 4. I would like to see the swap partition replaced with a swap file. Solid state hard drives are becoming more common. If you have a 64gb. SSD and 16gb of RAM a Linux Lite installation will install a 16gb swap partition. Unless you edit 1080p blu-ray videos all day you don't need it. Ubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. distro's already use the swap file. A computer with 8gb of RAM usually gets a 2gb swap file. That's good enough.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 22, 2018, 09:12:04 AM
I believe Ubuntu is doing that in 18.04
In my install trials, I wasn't asked to create a swap partition.

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Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: newtusmaximus on February 22, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Re MX17.  This might be the only option for LL 32 bit members of LL after 2021 - Three years is not time at all.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on February 22, 2018, 01:40:14 PM
This came up in another thread.. Adding Cloud Drives to Linux Lite. Thread here: https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/installing-software/install-google-drive/msg39264/#msg39264 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/installing-software/install-google-drive/msg39264/#msg39264)


Specifically the OP asked for Google drive after looking bit further after installing "Gnome-Online-Accounts"  there were other options available as well.

The upside it that once enabled the drive is accessible without needing to reconfigure after sequential reboots as opposed to another option tested.
The online accounts feature appears to be native in Ubuntu and not a PPA although additional commands are necessary to complete the set up. If the additional commands keep from being in the base, perhaps something for "Lite Software". 


Read a bit more - only downside is that it may be still too new, as support is for 16.10 and beyond (although it does work in 16.04)

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: tek10 on February 22, 2018, 08:59:54 PM
Of the image viewers mentioned so far, I really like Mirage the best. Thanks to Vera for the suggestion. I'm keeping it in my LL 3.8. I vote for its addition to LL 4.0.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: rokytnji on February 23, 2018, 09:59:41 AM
Not trying to start any trouble. Just hoping Jerry can use this info.

https://github.com/timkb4cq/mx-idevice-mounter

Also. Our distro Team <AntiX>. Is checking out switching over eudev also.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Eudev

I have no dog in this hunt. No druthers. I run how I like. What ever Jerry builds. I bet it will be the bee's knees.    Good luck with 4.0.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 23, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
Not trying to start any trouble. Just hoping Jerry can use this info.

https://github.com/timkb4cq/mx-idevice-mounter

Also. Our distro Team <AntiX>. Is checking out switching over eudev also.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Eudev

I have no dog in this hunt. No druthers. I run how I like. What ever Jerry builds. I bet it will be the bee's knees.    Good luck with 4.0.

Where's the devices supported list?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 24, 2018, 04:19:45 PM

As rokytnji, this is not to contribute to any distro war or similar. It's about learning & improving while not reinventing the wheel to make Linux Lite even better.


Therefore I'd also recommend to take a look at the MX Toolbox.
It might be interesting also in the light of needing a replacement for systemback! See "Live-usb Maker" and "Snapshot".

(https://www.picflash.org/img/2018/02/24/TBphoto_2018-02-24_21-52-10WXBV6X.jpg) (https://www.picflash.org/picture.php?key=WXBV6X&action=show)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on February 24, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
Users replace "username" with their user name.

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tar -cvf backup.tar /home/username
This creates a tar file named backup.tar that will backup all the contents of home/username folder and the sub directories.
It gives the verbose output to terminal during the process from the v option.
I seen it last week a few pages back, in the book "Linux Bible".

It has some potential for tweaks, like no verbose but output to log file that.
If gui that has a button reading eg; "backup-now" attached to this command, clicking that button so  would make a Lite, fast, and efficient backup.
Somewhere (maybe online) I cannot find it at the moment, I seen a command to output to USB results of commands. Attaching that to the export to usb button in GUi.

The other backup areas such as full OS, then maybe like machine type freeze/shot as an iso I am not sure this yet. Similar as can be done with Python apps for distribution, where it each machine state downloads "its" specific requirement, this can be where drivers differ and dependencies.<< makes the backup size lightweight/smaller and faster/more efficient.
Executing this is like the button to use the system rollback/restore.

I think the idea of it has potential of a seed to become "Lite backup" of future.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 25, 2018, 08:53:23 AM
Suggestion: replace KeepassX by KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/)


Once I suggested (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/suggestion-replace-keepassx-with-keepass2) replacing KeepassX by Keepass2 which I still mainly use (maybe more out of habit). But meanwhile I have also KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) installed and use it, too.


Due to the character of Linux Lite to keep things simple & light I assume KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) would be the better option. No mono and wine required. And nevertheless it offers auto-typing.


Thanks for your consideration
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: rokytnji on February 25, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
Quote

Where's the devices supported list?

Not sure what you mean Jerry. My devices or the worlds devices? eudev is pretty new. So may be all I could give is my personal devices.  Since systemd is incorporated in  linux lite. I gave up too much info and was not suggesting you switch over to using eudev,  It is probably more headache for you than it is worth.

But I can understand how my clumsy post can be misconstrued to make one think so.

My personal devices supported are the media reader on my  Emachine 3507. There is no supported devices list/documentation  for MX-Device-Mounter either.   My media reader  reads cf, micro drives, sd, xd, usb. 

It is my understanding most modules supporting any device are included in the kernel and module loading is handled by the user with modprobe. Failure to work info  is handled by dmesg and grep.


 
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 25, 2018, 09:17:37 AM
@rokytnji it says 'idevice' in the name, so I assume the application is for Apple products. I went to the github page, but the documentation is non existent. That in itself is a huge put off for me.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: rokytnji on February 25, 2018, 09:21:29 AM
Yeah. I sold my  Iphone 5S. Bought a replacement Samsung S7 Edge. So I cannot even test that for you.

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 25, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
Suggestion: replace KeepassX by KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/)


Once I suggested (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/suggestion-replace-keepassx-with-keepass2) replacing KeepassX by Keepass2 which I still mainly use (maybe more out of habit). But meanwhile I have also KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) installed and use it, too.


Due to the character of Linux Lite to keep things simple & light I assume KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) would be the better option. No mono and wine required. And nevertheless it offers auto-typing.


Thanks for your consideration

Keepassx (10) actually has less dependencies then Keepassxc (17). Keepassxc also requires a number of qt5 libs. Whats the difference in memory usage?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on February 25, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
@rokytnji it says 'idevice' in the name, so I assume the application is for Apple products. I went to the github page, but the documentation is non existent. That in itself is a huge put off for me.

You assume correctly @Jerry , it says -
"Python3 GUI using the idevice & ifuse projects to mount & unmount iPhone & iPad filesystems "
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 25, 2018, 01:29:50 PM
Suggestion: replace KeepassX by KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/)


Once I suggested (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/suggestion-replace-keepassx-with-keepass2) replacing KeepassX by Keepass2 which I still mainly use (maybe more out of habit). But meanwhile I have also KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) installed and use it, too.


Due to the character of Linux Lite to keep things simple & light I assume KeepassXC (https://keepassxreboot.github.io/) would be the better option. No mono and wine required. And nevertheless it offers auto-typing.


Thanks for your consideration

Keepassx (10) actually has less dependencies then Keepassxc (17). Keepassxc also requires a number of qt5 libs. Whats the difference in memory usage?


Does that dependency calculation include wine and mono?

memory usage:

via ps:
USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
xx        5490  0.6  2.2 730928 92028 ?        Sl   19:05   0:02 keepassxc
xx        8922  0.5  2.7 1275384 112024 ?      Sl   10:59   2:44 /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/keepass2/KeePass.exe

via Task Manager:
KeePass.exe  109MB
KeePassXC     92MB

KeePassXC starts a lot faster and is snappier. Also, KeePass2 crashes now and then and doesn't appear as native.
What I do miss in KeePassXC is (currently) the possibility to use the backup plugin respectively KeePass plugins in general.

Hope that helps :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 25, 2018, 08:34:19 PM
@LL-user Keepassx doesn't use wine and mono. I've never used or offered KeePass2 so I don't know it's crash history.
Cheers :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 26, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
@LL-user Keepassx doesn't use wine and mono. I've never used or offered KeePass2 so I don't know it's crash history.
Cheers :)

In the light of targeting Windows users I'd assume the majority uses Keepass2 over Keepassx. That's and the fact that Keepassx hasn't been updated for quite a while and is missing the very handy auto-type feature made me suggest a replacement.
To keep it as familiar as possible to Windows converts it would need Keepass2. KeepassXC would take them already on a journey, but at least with a few advantages. I see Keepassx definitely at the bottom of the list at the moment and therefore have never installed it for people I support switching over to Linux Lite.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: kissbaby3 on February 26, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
some one here commented something about cloud usage (or was it storage ?) , i never used any kind of cloud, please dont make Linux lite "cloud" only, as for making it more usable for people that are thinking or have moved from windows to Linux, that is fine, but for me i moved from windows To Linux for a reason and that reason is this ........ Its Linux......not a windows , i moved to Linux not only because i dislike windows 10, i moved to Linux because it most times will keep a old PC from heading to the recycling yard and or landfills and end up poisoning the environment , at least till the old PC is no longer usable, i am not here to use windows, so i hope the people who use windows , do some research on how to use linux and maybe save a old pc from heading to the junk yard. oh one suggestion tho , when we set our mouse pointer(cursor) to a bigger size, it should stay that way until we change it , lol,
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on February 26, 2018, 08:09:49 PM
@LL-user thanks for the suggestion. Will consider it carefully.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on February 28, 2018, 07:16:16 AM
Thanks, Jerry!  :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: ian_r_h on March 01, 2018, 03:24:45 AM
Just to chip in.  I use KeepPassX 2.90.2 (which I believe is in the Lite Software list) revision 3679b2170142c14362fa75e990ef85b80b1b1b46.  Assuming that this updates normally when using menu / Favorites / Install Updates, then this should be the latest version as of mid-February.

I am able to use its auto-type feature without (obvious) problems, so it does that that: Right-click database entry you created for ID and password and left-lick Perform Auto-type.

If you should update or change to a different version as suggested, I would need to be able to convert the KeePassX 2.90.2 compatible database to being usable by KeePassXC.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: abd_bela on March 01, 2018, 03:37:55 AM
HI,
I Found a lot of softwares, specially daemon  are installed but not actually used by the common users:  in my case I never use the samba, nmbd, smbd....
I suggeste to install the most used and leave the user to complete and custome his installation when necessary.
regards 
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on March 01, 2018, 06:32:09 AM
Just to chip in.  I use KeepPassX 2.90.2 (which I believe is in the Lite Software list) revision 3679b2170142c14362fa75e990ef85b80b1b1b46.  Assuming that this updates normally when using menu / Favorites / Install Updates, then this should be the latest version as of mid-February.

I am able to use its auto-type feature without (obvious) problems, so it does that that: Right-click database entry you created for ID and password and left-lick Perform Auto-type.

If you should update or change to a different version as suggested, I would need to be able to convert the KeePassX 2.90.2 compatible database to being usable by KeePassXC.

Thanks.


I see auto-type has been included in the meantime.
However, am not sure which version you're using. According to the website the last release is 2.03. I just installed it via Lite-Software and got 2.02. which is over too years old.
According to my knowledge and experience all three programs can work with the same database.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on March 01, 2018, 06:45:08 AM
I've just tested and the Keepassx 2.02 database works with Keepassxc.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: T1125P on March 01, 2018, 09:51:22 AM
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but, maybe to include HandBrake (The open source video transcoder) in the Lite Software menu. I use it for both Windows/Linux works really well and it's open source :D
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on March 01, 2018, 10:21:56 AM
Hi people,

I don't know how the Lite Software program works in the background but are all the programs in there using the "standard" repositories?
Yesterday I was so glad I found a program (called Krita) to replace Gimp but when I saw it was only in PPA and AppImage formats, I was depressed thinking Linux Lite could not implement it in it's current format. But maybe I'm wrong?

Cheers!

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: T1125P on March 01, 2018, 11:16:33 AM
Another possible suggestion maybe for the many people that have fingerprint readers on their laptops.  Include a driver for Broadcom Corp. BCM5880. I know I have one myself and have lots of trouble getting it to work, but I'll keep trying ^_^
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: kissbaby3 on March 01, 2018, 02:44:35 PM
HI,
I Found a lot of softwares, specially daemon  are installed but not actually used by the common users:  in my case I never use the samba, nmbd, smbd....
I suggeste to install the most used and leave the user to complete and custome his installation when necessary.
regards

i agree with you , keep the download small and simple.
let the other person install the rest , this is one of the reason i picked linux lite, and OH !, my Uncle is now using Linux lite 3.8 on his 10 year old pc, its a Dell Dimension B110, 32BIT , 2 Gigs of ram and a 50 GB hard drive, it used to have a expired windows XP home on it .....  not sure if he is going to stick with Linux, but now he wont have to rush to buy a new PC.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on March 01, 2018, 05:27:35 PM

@abd_bela and @kissbaby3
Dont know about the other two by I know Samba is a must for Windows Networks users when dealing with file sharing and what not.
Since one of Linux Lite's goal is to appeal to Windows Users, this must stay.
I don't have a Mac but this could also apply there.


Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on March 01, 2018, 07:52:24 PM
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but, maybe to include HandBrake (The open source video transcoder) in the Lite Software menu. I use it for both Windows/Linux works really well and it's open source :D


Good suggestion. Done :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on March 02, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
Lite Software for 4.x so far. Of the suggestions that have made it in, KeePassXC and Handbrake:

(https://i.imgur.com/LkOpxyr.png)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Artim on March 02, 2018, 05:05:04 AM
I'm with those who say keep it light and simple, and let the user install whatever extra software (s)he wishes.  Keep it light!

My one real concern with anything based on Ubu 18.04 is going to be the new "data collection" feature.  Presumably can be disabled in the installer, but it's on by default.

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: ian_r_h on March 03, 2018, 07:13:32 AM
Quote
I've just tested and the Keepassx 2.02 database works with Keepassxc.

Thanks, Jerry.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: whateverthing on March 03, 2018, 03:56:24 PM
File backup is a habit everyone should practice! I use FreeFileSync to backup files to an external drive. It's pretty easy to figure out, and has lots of options. I choose which directories to backup, and it's smart about updating just the files that have changed or are new. (I think it's a different use case from what Systembak does.)

https://www.freefilesync.org/ (https://www.freefilesync.org/)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/files/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/files/)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: LL-user on March 04, 2018, 10:34:57 AM
File backup is a habit everyone should practice! I use FreeFileSync to backup files to an external drive. It's pretty easy to figure out, and has lots of options. I choose which directories to backup, and it's smart about updating just the files that have changed or are new. (I think it's a different use case from what Systembak does.)

https://www.freefilesync.org/ (https://www.freefilesync.org/)

https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/files/ (https://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/files/)

I also install it on machines of any Linux newbie as it's also available on Windows. Meaning, usually I have advised users while still using Windows to use for the most important system task (backup) FreeFileSync. Therefore they are already familiar with it.
I have chosen it once as it was not only available for Linux and Windows, but even as portable app for Windows, so that it could be used without admin rights (no installation required). Unfortunately the portable feature is meanwhile only available in the paid version. Therefore I'm keeping my eye open for an alternative.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: T1125P on March 04, 2018, 05:55:03 PM
Thank you Jerry, the Lite menu is looking great!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Vera on March 05, 2018, 12:28:46 PM
File backup is a habit everyone should practice! I use FreeFileSync to backup files to an external drive. It's pretty easy to figure out, and has lots of options. I choose which directories to backup, and it's smart about updating just the files that have changed or are new. (I think it's a different use case from what Systembak does.)

File backup is important, I agree. I personally am happy with existing built-in tools when it comes to backing up my document files to external hard drive (as opposed to creating a restore point for system files with Systemback, which I don't bother too much with).
So for my documents, I rotate between
a) doing a full external backup by copying my entire home directory drag-and-drop into my external hard drive.
and
b) using the rsync command to update just the files in the backup folder that have changed or are new.

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: whateverthing on March 05, 2018, 03:14:12 PM
@Vera -- FreeFileSync is most similar to what rsync does. But it has the slick interface, which makes it more user-friendly.

I'm looking at other options, and I've found Grsync, which adds a simple (Gnome) front-end to the rsync tool. I haven't used it. Do others have experience with it, good or bad? Or can recommend other user-friendly file backup tools? With the goal being to provide easily accessible tools for new users, a file backup tool should:
* be easy to set up (not a lot of technical back-end required),
* be easy to understand the options, and
* give easy access to adjusting options.
* Bonus points for having a small footprint, which is where Gsync probably wins.


https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/grsync-simple-gui-rsync-easily-linux/


https://sourceforge.net/projects/grsync/
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bfb on April 04, 2018, 09:03:09 AM
Something I find useful is netdata https://github.com/firehol/netdata/wiki/Installation
but you might consider that this is already dealt with in Resource Usage
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: mdiemer on April 08, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
Please replace the startup Boot Splash screen wallpaper.

Replace the white-feather-on-yellow-background for startup boot splash with either of the two new Linux Lite wallpapers, such as the image shown by @Jerry  in the Linux Lite 3.6 release notes (reproduced below).

Reason this change would benefit the majority of users: A more modern yet LL-specific wallpaper was included in the new wallpapers from LL 3.6 onward (i.e. as seen in image shown below). Because of this change, why not add this more modern image to the boot splash screen also? First impressions are important, and ALL USERS see the startup boot splash screen! So modernizing this every-time experience with the flat design shown below will be of benefit to all users.

(http://i.imgur.com/VlkE2KJ.png)

I second this. While the yellow background is fine during the day, it hurts the eyes at night, and during boot of course screen dimmer apps are not yet running.

Alternatively, just tone it down. But I like the first suggestion better.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on April 09, 2018, 10:49:34 AM
Hi,



For the SplashScreen, Jerry Posted this in the SneakPeek 4.0 thread. Seems to fit the bill ;) :
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/linux-lite-software-development/linux-lite-4-0-sneak-peeks/msg39453/#msg39453 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/linux-lite-software-development/linux-lite-4-0-sneak-peeks/msg39453/#msg39453)


Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 09, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Plymouth is notoriously fickle. There may yet be a new surprise ;)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on April 10, 2018, 11:34:25 PM
Saw this earlier, thought this makes sense for newcomers from Windows... Samba GUI may ease sharing of Linux direcrories. Maybe for Lite Software?


Here's the link..
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-share-a-folder-from-a-linux-data-center-with-this-easy-samba-gui/

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 11, 2018, 04:00:41 AM
@firenice03 I had a play with this. Not sure if you tried it or not (btw your link is very small). Tried it in the 4.x test box and I couldn't access shares from Windows without jumping through many additional hoops. This is one of the reasons I created Lite Shares in the first place.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 11, 2018, 04:03:13 AM
By comparison, this is all it does:

Samba Config:

[testsamba]
   path = /home/jerry/testsamba
   writeable = yes
   browseable = yes
   valid users = jerry

when compared to:

Linux Lite Shares:

[liteshare]
   path = /home/%U/linux_share
   available = yes
   valid users = %U %G
   write list = %U
   browsable = yes
   public = no
   writable = yes
   printable = no
   locking = no
   strict locking = no

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on April 11, 2018, 07:38:50 AM
@Jerry

I had not yet tested across platforms. With it being SAMBA and having a GUI, I was hopeful -  :'(
Maybe a bit excited  ;D


Thanks for taking the time to give a look..



I corrected the font size in the above - I copy/pasted the link from the address bar into the forum...
- Think this occurs occasionally...

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 11, 2018, 08:04:14 AM
No worries buddy, suggestions are always welcome :)

FYI - the XFCE devs are reviving the Thunar Shares Plugin. Unfortunately, it won't be ready until mid 4.x cycle, but if it works nice and easy, we'll put it in 5.x for sure.
I did my own fork of it which works, but it's a real hack job, better leave it to the pro's :)

(http://www.paradoxcomputers.com.au/images/thunar-shares-plugin.jpg)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on April 11, 2018, 11:17:22 AM
Good topic, I didnt get to create share yet in LL since I have a NAS and didn't need to.
But, my setup is not the most common, being able to create shares without having to open a Terminal windows would give Linux Lite fan points indeed. ;))
Maybe a little hack job in the meantime is not so bad...

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: supergamer on April 14, 2018, 12:23:56 PM
I am throwing in my 2 cents on this for an image viewer and editor. I just rolled a beta 18.04 test iso for my stuff and decided I needed to save some space and gimp was just to complicated for most users. I decided on gpicview and mtpaint, which saves space and is light on resources. If a user needs a more powerful image editor then they can decide to install gimp, but this is my opinion.

http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ (http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 14, 2018, 10:07:32 PM
The reason we offer Gimp ootb is because we're saying to MS, we are free software, let's see you bundle Photoshop in Windows. They can't, and that's a power we have over MS. Same goes for Office.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on April 16, 2018, 09:36:45 AM

Arg! I so wish Krita would replace Gimp. So much more like PhotoShop. Its on PPA or AppImage though.
https://linuxhint.com/install-krita-digital-painting-linux/ (https://linuxhint.com/install-krita-digital-painting-linux/)

Its also ranked better on slant :
https://www.slant.co/versus/3000/11484/~gimp_vs_krita (https://www.slant.co/versus/3000/11484/~gimp_vs_krita)

Its easier to use and I think takes less ressources. Don't have Gimp anymore to compare because I just luuve Krita.
I'm not related to Krita btw, I was just happy to give a special one finger salute to Adobe at last ;)
Yeah, Photoshop has more options, but it's like 25 times the size :-O and "needs" an internet connection because you "rent" the service.

I think I already wrote it in the forums but maybe a Lite Software special case O Great One!

Cheers!

(removed useless formating info)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: whateverthing on April 16, 2018, 11:47:00 AM

Arg! I so wish Krita would replace Gimp. So much more like PhotoShop. ...


@TheDead ... I use both Gimp and Krita. Krita is great for drawing -- it has excellent brush physics. Gimp is the better of the two for photo editing -- it has layer masks and a full set of blending modes. From what I know of Photoshop, it tries to be both, a full-service photo editor and a full-service drawing environment.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on April 16, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
@whateverthing
You are almost right ;) but also quite wrong... ;)
I also though Krita was limited in layers... in fact their system is just different and brilliant, with a hierarchical masking and effects, maybe a few effects less.
The point where you are completely right though is that its an artsy drawing/painting/illustrator dream machine. Easier to user than he competition.
I won't go on 'coz I already overstepped the thread's subject and I'll get slammed for thread-hijacking. ;) ....*runs away*.

Cheerios!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Searchernow on April 22, 2018, 07:04:43 AM
I'm with those who say keep it light and simple, and let the user install whatever extra software (s)he wishes.  Keep it light!

My one real concern with anything based on Ubu 18.04 is going to be the new "data collection" feature.  Presumably can be disabled in the installer, but it's on by default.

Can anyone expand on this worrying point: "anything based on Ubu 18.04 is going to be the new "data collection" feature" !!
Where can we find more info - links to sources?

If LL is in danger of becoming part of a stasi-like operation (and I'm not saying it is) then, as the saying goes, "I'm outta here".
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 22, 2018, 07:08:01 AM
Let me put it this way, if LL starts data collecting, I'm outta here. It's 'not on by default' because it's not even on, PERIOD.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Searchernow on April 22, 2018, 07:34:05 AM
Let me put it this way, if LL starts data collecting, I'm outta here. It's 'not on by default' because it's not even on, PERIOD.

Thanks Jerry - that looks pretty definite! :)
I do recall your post (ages ago) where you said you take just a bare 40mb (whatever the tech terms are) from Canonical and build LL on that, so presumably you can surgically remove any such data-collection code which might be in there in the future.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 22, 2018, 07:35:36 AM

...so presumably you can surgically remove any such data-collection code which might be in there in the future.


That's exactly what I do.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on April 22, 2018, 07:40:04 AM
That data collection thing is over blown anyway. It's opt-in so if you don't want to send info, it won't. People should really only complain about it if it was hardcoded and/or hidden and there was no way out of it.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Searchernow on April 22, 2018, 08:10:44 AM
Back to LL 4.0 suggestions...

1) could something be done towards external monitor plug-play? With MS Win 7 (and presumably 10) we can grab our laptops, unplug, everything is auto-reset to built-in display. Ditto when we re-connect to ext. monitor.

2) there's some discussion above re what to provide by default in LL download.

I wonder could thoughts turn to a menu of downloads, eg starting with "Light Linux Lite" for the basic home user - browser / email / photo manage / Writer / Calc / (there's more in LibreOffice, but buttons the for latter two) Backup / Updates / (other?) - these given with large icons/"button" on desktop. Might attract first computer users too, attractive for teachers in communities etc.

Of course all the repo/Lite software will be accessible too, if wanted later.

Maybe not for 4.0, but future?
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: jeffng on April 27, 2018, 05:36:00 PM
I tried v4.0 beta . I cannot install systemback. I find it useful and simple to create live cd
Please put it back. The new version is useless to me. Thanks
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on April 27, 2018, 08:44:02 PM
I tried v4.0 beta . I cannot install systemback. I find it useful and simple to create live cd
Please put it back. The new version is useless to me. Thanks
The maker of SystemBack has discontinued "* DEVELOPMENT AND SUPPORT ENDED *"
https://launchpad.net/systemback
https://launchpad.net/~nemh/+archive/ubuntu/systemback

You can find threads within in the forum... It was a really useful tool... Timeshift replaces Systemback functionality in LL4.x
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 08, 2018, 11:41:15 PM
Thread closed for suggestions. Thank you to everyone who came up with ideas!

Suggestions that made it in:

- KeepPassXC (Lite Software)
- HandBrake (Lite Software)
- Move ~/.conky folder - now in /etc/conky-lite for easy update/bug fixes
- Make a very simple edit to an image for the first time e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize - Shotwell is the new image viewer
- Replace the startup Boot Splash screen - Done
- Faenza icons replaced with Papirus

Thanks folks :)

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on May 09, 2018, 10:34:12 AM
Goody goody, will we have a Beta2 or RC before Final? :D

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Vera on May 09, 2018, 08:21:01 PM
Woohoo!  ;D Thanks! Great news. Thank you for keeping us updated on the changes. Thrilled that we as a community have had the chance to offer suggestions. This is exciting, very much looking forward to installing and using LL 4.0.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 10, 2018, 01:57:22 AM
Thrilled that we as a community have had the chance to offer suggestions.

You always will :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 10, 2018, 01:58:16 AM
Goody goody, will we have a Beta2 or RC before Final? :D

Cheers!

By the looks, the Beta is pretty solid. Traditionally we only do a Beta, then Final. My goal is to always make a Beta as solid as possible.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Nyto on May 10, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
Hi, I'd like to point out a problem that all new Windows users migrating to LL for the first time will face. This is literally just about every user, unless they deal with no image files ever. Here it is:

What are we (the LL community) expecting ex-Windows users to do on a fresh LL install when they need to make a very simple edit to an image for the first time (e.g. simple rotation, crop or resize)? This can happen quite early on in their LL usage, when they're still not-so-familiar with the system.

With a current fresh LL installation, if you have just switched over from Windows, those users will be storing their vacation pics, family pics, whatever, under the Pictures folder in their linux home directory, just like they did in Windows - so far, so good. Then they decide to resize a few of them to send to grandma via email (who doesn't do social media), or just need a simple crop or rotate. What are we expecting these users to do?

They could click on the image to open it, and find out that, oh, I can only VIEW it that way. I can't DO anything to it.

By contrast, in Windows, as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong), you can do simple crops and rotations and resize without expecting the user to actually open Photoshop.

Likewise, I feel that in LL 4.0 there should be a way to do that, which:

  • comes pre-bundled in the LL 4.0 release (i.e. does not require a download from Synaptic Package Manager)
  • is user-friendly and modern-looking
  • does not require the user to open Gimp. That would be like expecting a Windows user to open Photoshop every time they want to just crop or resize.

I realize we can't expect to predict every eventuality that every Windows user might want, but it seems to me that this (simple image edits) would be a fairly reasonable expectation by ex-Windows users.

I agree with Vera, GIMP can be kind of scary  ;D for a newbie that comes from Windoze where he rotated/cropped pictures using M$-Paint.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Nyto on May 10, 2018, 03:53:11 PM
MX Linux, and it's all said. do not look for more suggestions, check MX Linux and you will have millions of things to improve. ;D

Uh...  ...is this SPAM??  :-\
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on May 10, 2018, 04:08:31 PM

By the looks, the Beta is pretty solid. Traditionally we only do a Beta, then Final. My goal is to always make a Beat as solid as possible.


Lol, I always knew Jerry you made solid Gansta Beats! ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZQtS6WPZuE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZQtS6WPZuE)


Peace out to all my homies!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 11, 2018, 12:36:08 AM
@TheDead

(http://shortyawards.com.s3.amazonaws.com/entries/NI_ar_Rap_Battle_Meme.jpg)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on May 11, 2018, 08:30:16 AM
That picture should have a warning... really scary! ;)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Nyto on May 11, 2018, 02:54:11 PM
Hi everyone,

LETS DO THIS!

I'm now taking suggestions for new features in Linux Lite 4.0


A big thank you from me and the developers
:)

Jerry


Allrighty, based on my own personal pet-peeves, and the first things that I always modify on any fresh install, here I go:


SSDs:
The system knows it was installed to an SSD, so how come it continues swapping at 60? Swapping is bad for SSDs.
And regarding the TRIM command, Trimming daily is waaay better than weekly. Why not leave it at daily, instead of having to 'sudo mv -v /etc/cron.weekly/fstrim /etc/cron.daily'


The 'Lite Tweaks' utility is great, so why not enhancing it including clickable ways to run to slim the fat like the commands:
sudo apt autoremove
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo apt-get autoclean


I am pretty sure most of the users migrating from Windoze are regular FB and Twtr users, and do not use 'ancient' communication methods like chat rooms (Pidgin), and keep their email in the cloud as oppossed to in the hard drive (Thunderbird), so why are these apps installed by default? They should be moved to the "Lite Software" downloadable software area.


Services like bluetooth, bluez, etc. should be deactivated by default if the installation was done on a hard-wired desktop PC.
...same for services like modem-manager-service, mobile-broadband-provider-info, wpa_supplicant, and a few others.


During the installation, us users should be asked IF we wish to 'share' with Windoze, if we don't, then DO NOT ENABLE 'samba' nor 'smb-whatever', by default.
...and if no need to access a networked printer, disable 'cups-browsed'.


...same for Apple devices, we should be asked IF we wish to 'sync' an Apple device, if we don't, then DO NOT ENABLE 'mDNS', 'Avahi-whatever', by default.


During the installation, us users should be asked IF we wish to use a virtualization app. If the answer is no, then DO NOT install/activate virtualbox, qemu, etc.,  by default.


All the regular ..buntus keep calling home via a fake user and a service named 'whoopsie'. Please erradicate this from Linux Lite.


A look at the Linux forums and you'll see that slow boots are VERY VERY OFTEN due to usual suspects like: apt-daily.service, apt-daily-update.service, NetworkManager-wait-online.service, avahi-daemon.service, ubiquity.service, motd-news.service,


Regarding xfce there are still a few useful panel plugins that could be included in LL:  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/start


The system-wide font should continue being NotoSans or DroidSans. They are the most perfectly hinted, modern, fonts currently.


At the end of the installation, when the system is cleaning-up, why not get rid of casper, ubiquity?


Please note this is all based in my personal opinions. You be the judge, the wisdom is great in you.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 13, 2018, 01:52:28 AM
In my humble opinion, a light distro should be light in all aspects, so cumbersome programs should be replaced with their light equivalents and then the distribution itself will also weigh less. My suggestions are as such: instead of a slow and heavy monster Firefox-browser it is better to take an open-source Chromium-browser, as now Firefox has difficulties with installing browser addons; instead of huge Thunderbird it is better to take fast and light Geary as a mail client - like in ZorinOS, and instead of Gimp it is better to take Pinta.

As for the default set of icons I suggest a set of icons by Numix, which has two similar flat kits - round icons and square icons. In the Papirus icon set there are not all the required icons, besides they are not always correctly displayed when the user changes the colour of the desktop theme. What I like most in the Numix icons is that the icons of the trash-bin have two colours - red for the full trash-bin and green for the empty trash-bin, so it is very convenient to monitor the fullness of the trash-bin. One can also use colored folders by Numix.

To install and see the Numix icons one should enter only one command in the terminal:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:numix/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install numix-gtk-theme numix-icon-theme numix-icon-theme-circle numix-icon-theme-square numix-folders -y

I hope, you will enjoy this set of icons. I think, these icons are much more prettier than the default icon theme in LL 4.0. And don't forget to cache the icon set after installing it!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 13, 2018, 04:29:30 AM
Sorry, still another couple of suggestions:

1) please add appgrid (http://www.appgrid.org/), a very fast and lightweight software-center, into Lite Software;

2) please add selection of the required language to Tor-browser installation in Lite Software for those people who do not know the English language. Or maybe Tor can be somehow translated into other languages after installation?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 13, 2018, 07:15:41 AM
I wonder, if it is possible to add to the LL distro other tweaks like Ubuntu Tweak or Stacer, the last but not the least is even better as it has lots of (additional to Lite Tweaks) utilities "all in one" (hardinfo, baobab, cleaner and so on).

The app page (with screenshots) is here: https://github.com/oguzhaninan/Stacer


P.S. Sorry, too many suggestions and messages from me.

Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 13, 2018, 08:15:08 AM
NN may I suggest you look at the first post in this thread for for constitutes a considerable suggestion. You should also see here - https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-4-0-suggestions-welcomed/msg40769/#msg40769
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 13, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
NN may I suggest you look at the first post in this thread for for constitutes a considerable suggestion. You should also see here - https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-4-0-suggestions-welcomed/msg40769/#msg40769

Sure! Though it seems rather strange to me that the topic has already been closed for suggestions but it is still open for discussions (?). Sorry for my misunderstanding your intention. And though I have a couple more ideas on how to make LL even lighter as for preinstalled software, I will give you no more suggestions, since I will have to compare this distro to another similar distribution but it is forbidden by the rules. Feel free to delete all my posts in this thread that do not meet the needed requirements and this message as well. It's OK. Thanks, and all the best to LL team.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 13, 2018, 08:59:38 AM
No problem at all NN. I didn't lock the thread because people may still want to reply to others posts. Feel free to hang on to your suggestions for 4.2 when I start that thread. :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: trinidad on May 13, 2018, 09:08:30 AM
@NN 

It would be utterly counter-intuitive to remove whoopsie and apport from a distro designed for new Linux users coming directly from MS. None of them are running LL headless servers, and generally they are inexperienced with Linux. The chances of an inexperienced user unwittingly breaking a new system over time would increase dramatically without whoopsie and apport.

TC
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 13, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
Feel free to hang on to your suggestions for 4.2 when I start that thread. :)

OK. Thank you. :)

It would be utterly counter-intuitive to remove whoopsie and apport from a distro designed for new Linux users coming directly from MS. None of them are running LL headless servers, and generally they are inexperienced with Linux. The chances of an inexperienced user unwittingly breaking a new system over time would increase dramatically without whoopsie and apport.

But no one can prevent a user from doing it himself through the help of Linux communities (https://linuxthebest.net/uvedomleniya-ob-oshibkakh-ubuntu-16-10/), and for a beginner who has just migrated from Windows to Linux the last is similar to Chinese (I remember my first impression of Linux), in my humble opinion. And as for an unwitting system damage, former Windows users are accustomed to recovery of the system by means of automatic system restore points. It is good that for Linux there are analogues of the similar programs like deja-dup, systemback, timeshift and remastersys. Besides, some distributions have native programs for system recovery. And this is a great relief for inexperienced users.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on May 13, 2018, 01:58:46 PM
and for a beginner who has just migrated from Windows to Linux the last is similar to Chinese (I remember my first impression of Linux)

Yes I agree Linux is very efficient too  :P
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on May 16, 2018, 05:37:22 AM
I suggest -
"Sound Juicer"
Here is some info about it https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20126/rip-audio-cds-with-sound-juicer/ (https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/20126/rip-audio-cds-with-sound-juicer/)

removed social interaction below here, off topic
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 16, 2018, 05:39:50 AM
@bitsnpcs https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-4-0-suggestions-welcomed/msg40769/#msg40769
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on May 16, 2018, 05:54:26 AM
Okay got it. :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 16, 2018, 06:25:37 AM
No problem, be sure to add it to the 4.2 thread when it starts :)
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 16, 2018, 07:21:47 AM
After installing Sound Juicer it ripped it easily, quickly, with zero errors, and produced a good rip 1+hour duration, audio wise.

Besides soundjuicer, try ripperx, ripoff and asunder, too.

sudo apt install ripperx ripoff asunder -y

Test them all and then choose the best. Maybe you will leave a message then about your impressions of them for other users? :)

If I am not mistaken, Asunder is included in MX-Linux.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on May 16, 2018, 02:38:23 PM
Heya!

Quick question and maybe suggestion for you guys, I don't have my LiLi to test at the moment but is Chromium in Lite Software beacause it's PPA only, etc.?

If it's available in the "official" channels, I would suggest maybe checking if it could be a contender to replace FireFox.
I Like FF but and I may be wrong but I did a few personnal tests and the new-ish engine in FireFox now seam to use more memory than Chromium, even if advertised otherwise. And the browser seems "heavy" on lower end machines(?). I didn't check the exact download file size but seams about the same.

BTW, I don't have a personnal preference if the browser does the job, just want the "best" at install time. ;)
... and don't start a browser war guys, these are the two main open-source browsers. I would not suggest to put a less-known or closed-source one in LiLi by default.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 16, 2018, 02:59:46 PM
Quick question and maybe suggestion for you guys, I don't have my LiLi to test at the moment but is Chromium in Lite Software beacause it's PPA only, etc.?

If it's available in the "official" channels, I would suggest maybe checking if it could be a contender to replace FireFox.

sudo apt install chromium-browser

NB: the command sudo apt install chromium will install a game with the same name.

The same thing concerns Epiphany-browser (the default browser in Gnome): the command sudo apt install epiphany-browser will install the browser, the command sudo apt install epiphany will install a game. So, don't mix them up!

Quote
I Like FF but and I may be wrong but I did a few personnal tests and the new-ish engine in FireFox now seam to use more memory than Chromium, even if advertised otherwise. And the browser seems "heavy" on lower end machines(?). I didn't check the exact download file size but seams about the same.

Yes! Besides, I can't get onto the FF addons page. To add an extension to FF has become a big problem. Does it happen only to me, or do other users have the same problem? And what is more important for users from different countries, FF can't translate web-pages and no one (not English) will be able to translate manuals on this site. And some of the potential LL-users may go away for some other distro. Chromiun-browser can translate pages, FF can't. And Chromium is lighter - just the thing for LL.

The first thing I do after installing a distro is sudo apt purge --autoremove firefox


Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: bitsnpcs on May 23, 2018, 05:36:16 AM
After installing Sound Juicer it ripped it easily, quickly, with zero errors, and produced a good rip 1+hour duration, audio wise.

Besides soundjuicer, try ripperx, ripoff and asunder, too.

sudo apt install ripperx ripoff asunder -y

Test them all and then choose the best. Maybe you will leave a message then about your impressions of them for other users? :)

If I am not mistaken, Asunder is included in MX-Linux.


No I am not your servant , you test it if you wish to.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 23, 2018, 07:15:13 AM
No I am not your servant , you test it if you wish to.

I know these apps quite well, and my asking you to test them was just a way of speaking, so that you also could get acquainted with the apps as well. Okay, don't use the apps at all, by now means! And, please, don't respond to my posts in the future. Thank you beforehand. 
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: torreydale on May 23, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
I thought you guys blocked each other.
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: NN on May 23, 2018, 06:16:56 PM
you guys blocked each other

Yeah... Because I don't like reggae. Lol. :D
Title: Re: Linux Lite 4.0 Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 23, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
Closed.