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Hardware - Support => Start up and Shutdown => Topic started by: Searchernow on October 09, 2017, 06:10:15 AM
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Upon a normal waking from Suspend the following:
desktop icons with fuzzy black text
text missing from panel – when cursor passed over a launcher, text box opens but blank
date and time & calendar blank
opening Menu - icons show but not icon text
Backups application window open but text (“Restore” etc. ) only appears when pointer passes over.
Firefox and Thunderbird appeared to be without these problems.
Resolved by re-starting and selected the same session.
I had this or very similar recently, but I put that down to not having the external monitor powered up before waking the computer. On this occasion the monitor was powered up well beforehand.
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i should add - the above problem was after a lid-closed-overnight-then-wake
as distinct from press start button (set to suspend) suspend, but leaving lid open.
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This problem has occured again - I pressed the start key to suspend, left lid open, a while later pressed start key to wake
(all actions I use every day without problem)
and all icons had black fuzzy text, text missing etc. as previously.
I had to re-boot and it is back to normal. Am I the only one to have had this problem?
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Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Power Manager
Try selecting lock screen when system is going for sleep. Test a few of the other settings there.
TC
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Thanks,
I've selected lock screen etc., so hopefully that will help. The problem has only happened occasionally, so I'll see over the next few weeks.
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This has happened again, 3 times in the last 8 days.
Lock-screen (see above) didn't cure it, so I disabled it.
I did try "display>config new displays when connected", still it crashed.
This latest one happened immediately after waking as I dragged LibreWriter from the built-in to the external large monitor, and this application (image) broke up then froze. My first experience of the problem seems to have been related (see above) to the dual monitor setup.
Also the problem started after loading LL 3.6.
It's a pain having to re-start after each crash, entering long master passwords on two applications etc. Hopefully it will get sorted with a future upgrade, I myself can't think of any solution.
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I tried not closing the lid, just pressing start button to suspend during intervals or overnight - no use, 3 more crashes.
I did find a note in my records re. the first event, which I associated with starting up without the external monitor (which was connected) being powered up - this was while I still had LL 3.4. So probably moving to 3.6 was not the problem, but of course I don't know.
In between crashes, LL is great, so I hope I can take time off over Christmas to research this problem. I will post here if I find a solution.
As always, re-starting gets it back working, though I've to enter long master passwords etc. again!
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This problem persists - after a relatively good period it has become more frequent, now with almost daily desktop/panel crashes.
I will try to hold out till the end of the month and then do an install of 4.0 to see if that cures it.
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The problem is always associated with waking from suspend, so I tried hibernation instead - waking from that took a lot longer than from suspend, though it did re-open my session, but the wifi connection no longer worked - the wifi I use was not on the pop-up menu where it usually is, so a re-start was resorted to and then it immediately got online as normal.
Trying to simply leave the computer running resulted in having to use password to get back to screen from sleep or whatever it is, in spite of auto login. After log-in another crash.
Anyway, I'm pissed off with what are now daily crashes. I'll try to find time to download a fresh copy of 3.8 and install it. If that doesn't work then I'll look elsewhere.
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Suspend & Hibernate on Linux in general @Searchernow is historically troublesome. On some hardware, it's perfect, on others, not so. It's luck of the draw for what hardware you run. Don't hate us. Consider all the freedoms you're getting in linux vs MS. Lock is a great option, at least you have security that way. Starting from suspend only to auto-login leaves your pc wide open. Food for thought.
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Suspend & Hibernate on Linux in general @Searchernow is historically troublesome. On some hardware, it's perfect, on others, not so. It's luck of the draw for what hardware you run. Don't hate us. Consider all the freedoms you're getting in linux vs MS. Lock is a great option, at least you have security that way. Starting from suspend only to auto-login leaves your pc wide open. Food for thought.
Thanks Jerry,
it was more my attempt (on this occasion) to just leave the computer running, albeit with display set to go off after 20 mins, then an hour or more later finding I'd to use password to resume (ie it was not from suspend) .....
I'm trying running just on external monitor since yesterday, who knows...!
But no - I don't hate Linux Lite! I love it. When I'm not having these crashes it works very well and I enjoy using it.
I love the ethos of a community project, free to those who can't afford to pay, and not linked with certain very violent people....
Aso it doesn't expect me to study linux, I've enough to learn and do with cad software (on my Win7 pc) and life in general without that.
I suspected it might be a hardware issue, though that is not definitely established in my case. I guess that Windows installed on various brands of PCs is not a standard Windows, but customized to each computer and its features. So our installation of Lite on various computers is bound to (?) occasionally encounter some problems. (just guessing here ...)
I hope the Lite laptop project takes off, I'd love to think of a ready to run Lite laptop, customized to the hardware, available at a good price for established and new computer users - who want to buy a great product, not become the product.
Anyway, I've downloaded a fresh copy of 3.8 so as time allows, backups etc, I'll do a new install.
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I haven't kept up with all your threads, but please feel free to post a question as soon as you get an issue. All the best :)
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Well, I didn't have to re-install LL 3.8, the existing 3.8 is still running fine.
All I did, as mentioned above - and inspired by another unrelated thread by someone who wanted to run on an external monitor with the laptop display turned off - was to run on external monitor only. It's 5 weeks now with no crashes. I use suspend a lot when I'm not using the computer, no problems.
I will stick with 3.8 for now, maybe try 4 series if I get the time. I'm happy.
I'll give it a while more, then mark this solved.
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Afraid I got further recurring crashes as above, but I am trying another solution - so far it is working.
I wait a bit then write it up here, if it still works.
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Session interruption instantly hungs the system in my case, including the screen lock, but maybe in particular this is the screen lock. The system seems to work in the background, knowing by the web-browser output heard in the speakers at one time, but the primary - and only - display is completely stuck. Hard reset necessary. This may be a bigger issue than it seems, as if when someone for example watches a movie and the system goes to sleep, to never be able to continue current session. Immersion break complete.
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Session interruption instantly hungs the system in my case, including the screen lock, but maybe in particular this is the screen lock. The system seems to work in the background, knowing by the web-browser output heard in the speakers at one time, but the primary - and only - display is completely stuck. Hard reset necessary. This may be a bigger issue than it seems, as if when someone for example watches a movie and the system goes to sleep, to never be able to continue current session. Immersion break complete.
Your demons may be different ones to mine, but the cause just might be similar. I'm not knowledgeable re the finer points of code, so I'll just say what I did.
(and by the way in my case the browsers still worked ok, having their own font).
What I figured was that as the problem was always at the point of waking maybe there was some clash of functions, or possibly too much going on for my hardware to handle.
First: I used have SD card in place and had Backups utility set to automatically backup daily. So on waking here were two extra routines going on - SD drive reading and Backup utility checking to see if backup had already happened today.
I disabled the latter utility (to manual) and removed the SD. I did get an improvement, but another crash after 9 days.
Second: I looked for whatever else was happening at wake-up - Wifi. Both wifi (already selected) and its connecting to already running hotspot - so after that I always de-select Enable Wifi (from the system tray on the Panel) then Suspend (always selecting from Logout menu on Panel).
After waking I then Enable Wifi.
I have now 4 weeks with only one crash - that happened when I woke just about 4 mins after Suspend - my guess was that there was still things going on in the background so soon after Suspend, so now I wait much longer.
It is of course all guesswork, but it does seem to have worked for me, and I think does make sense, especially using a generic Linux OS to replace a OEM customised Win 7 OS.
I hope these remedies lead to improvements for you, but play around Settings Manager>Power manager as well.
I've enjoyed using Linux Lite (still 3.8 ) .
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I have disabled the screen lock function, the only applying specific power management feature is on closing the lid of the laptop, which simply ought to switch off the display, for the sake of power saving, but for some reason, it still locks the session, despite the function being turned off. It starts to become a nightmare, especially that it is my custom to put the lid down when I am leaving the desk for a while or two. Fortunately, Chromium browser is so kind that it lets to restore the interrupted session. But I do feel sorry for anyone doing productive work, such as writing, video editing and else.
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I use the LogOut menu and select Suspend, which works in a couple of seconds. I leave the lid open.
Last thing in the day I Suspend as above then also close the lid overnight.
I think in terms of Suspend it is not necessarily a good idea to depend on the hardware (e.g. lid closing) to work the same way as the machine did with an installation of Windows, which I assume would be customised to the particular OEM hardware.
Linux Lite works very well, but it comes with its own set of tools to achieve what we want, which I have found quick and easy to get used to. I hope this is helpful.
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LinuxLite lives up to what it promises but it is not in a perfect shape yet.
I found my way around the problem omitting the Session Lock feature entirely, which means, I never use password login on wakeup - to me, not a problem, to someone out there, could possibly be.
It is perhaps pretty important to check the "save session for further logins" option in the "Log Out" window of the "Log Out" section, entered via the desktop menu bar.
The laptop is set to enter sleep mode per closing the lid and thusfar it works fine now.
I have just checked switching off the display option per closing of the lid and also it works fine.
Therefore, we apparently have two problem makers: the session lock and the session save features.
EDIT:
It seems that just for the sake of succesfully escaping sleep mode without the screen lock along the way, the "save session" feature is unnecessary.
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You simply won't get a perfect OS. Windows is not perfect. Millions of MS Support of threads is proof of that.
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As Jerry says, no OS is perfect, but it's great you have been able to re-set the OS to work satisfactorily for you, not bad for a terrific OS which is free to download and only asks for modest donations from those who can afford it.
I take a philosophical view (this is general, not aimed at this thread's contributors) - most digital products seem to be mainly sold on "convenience" and speed and big numbers (15 mega what-not assumed to always be better [or of higher social status] than 12, or even 2; phone version 10, when 3 does all I could want...)
Linux gives new life to many old machines which then perform perfectly for the average user, free of charge, whereas the proprietary OS merchants want us to throw the old equipment out.
I hope none of this sounds holier-than-thou sort of lecturing, it's just stuff I feel strongly about, and here is as good a place as any to write about it :) !
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Only the free software culture of Linux is a major reason to switch to it. There is an excellent base of programs available for legal open download and share in Linux, the counterparts of which too often are commercial in other kinds of operating systems. These free programs sometimes get translated to other systems, sometimes not, but the root remains, they were designed for Linux and the Linux is spearheading this culture and development, that is why Linux needs to be supported.
What I only miss in Linux are "user-lite" photo editing programs, such as Fotor {Microsoft Store version}, Polarr, InPixio, Afterlight. These home user friendly programs heavily relay on the employment of abundant base of filters, providing near ready effect per a handful of clicks. This is an easy go culture, but it does the job, I have actually edited couple of photos this way, example: link HERE (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1e_U_fEYedFYeRo5vYMATEwuUygWe-J-o?usp=sharing). That was processed with Fotor back in the Windows10 time.
But I have come to Linux to experience the ups and downs of actually using it, as long as it is reasonable. If I came just for the favours, I would have already fallen back.
Today I was thinking a bit about the Microsoft and the WindowsOS culture, how it perfectly fits into nowadays culture of "beware", next to "buy or die". The imperfections of WindowsOS make it a perfect market fuss. There is something constantly going on about it. WindowsOS needs so pushed maintenance that it simply keeps the attention of customers constantly around it, especially that majority of computers sold nowadays have some version of WindowsOS installed by default.
I am uncertain how Linux though would behave if itself it gained some - say - twenty percent of the current home user PC market, perhaps it would be just as fussy as the WindowsOS, which actually was I enough happy with, y'know? But there is historical balance to what is going on. WindowsOS would not survive until today if Linux took the place of it back in the nineties, unless something.
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An Update on my original problems, which were on LL 3.8:
I did keep up the practise of not having too much happening on wake-up, ie no flash drives in place, no auto back-up about 3 weeks, with far fewer of those text crashes.
Then 5 weeks ago I upgraded to LL 4.0 & 4.2 and the issue has not returned, so looks to be all right now.