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Other / Re: gui menu apps not launching
« Last post by noweare on May 30, 2021, 01:59:56 PM »
I ran:
inxi -Srxxy80

that gave me:
System:    Host: linuxdesktop Kernel: 4.15.0-143-generic x86_64
           bits: 64 gcc: 7.5.0
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.31) dm: lightdm
           Distro: Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxlite.list
           deb http://repo.linuxliteos.com/linuxlite/ diamond main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mosquitto-dev-ubuntu-mosquitto-ppa-bionic.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mosquitto-dev/mosquitto-ppa/ubuntu bionic main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list
           deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_12.x bionic main
           deb-src [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/nodesource.gpg] https://deb.nodesource.com/node_12.x bionic main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/otto-kesselgulasch-ubuntu-gimp-xenial.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/otto-kesselgulasch/gimp/ubuntu bionic main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teejee2008-ubuntu-ppa-bionic.list
           deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/teejee2008/ppa/ubuntu bionic main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
           deb [arch=amd64,arm64,armhf] http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/code stable main

So yea, works good, more stuff to learn ....    ;)   Thanks for this
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Introductions / Re: Bugs on this forum's software! (nice way to start, eh?)
« Last post by ludditus on May 30, 2021, 12:00:09 PM »
By some magic, the account ludditus1 disappeared, or at least I couldn't login anymore, and I was left with the one I wanted, ludditus, as I am a Luddite and the "1" was added because the user name w/o "1" was blocked/reserved by my first failed attempt :)
As a moderator, you should be able to check w/o any other specifics, I guess.
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Other / Re: gui menu apps not launching
« Last post by Moltke on May 30, 2021, 11:41:10 AM »
I found my problem, some of the bash scripts had python3 in them which for some reason I must of got rid of so it couldn't find python3.
I made a soft link to point python3 at python3.6 so now they are working. 

I ran you inxi -Syxx command but it returned Error 21: Width option requires an integer value of 80 or more.
You entered: xx

I looked at the command syntax and it seems like a very powerful command. At first glance I could not figure out what the
yxx respresented but I would like to get familiar with it. Seems like a good way to get system information from the command line.

Anyways thanks for responding. 
~Joe
You're welcome :) Glad you solved it. You shouldn't be getting that error, anyway, what those options do:
Sy = System info; Host, DE, Kernel in use, WM, distro, display manager, OS type(32 or 64), compiler (gcc), toolkit(GTK+, QT).
xx = adds more verbosity to the output.

By the way, I missed the r option, I wanted to see the output of this
Code: [Select]
inxi -Syrxx the r option is for repo, it gives info about those present in your system. I thought there could be something, but you figured it out for yourself and seems it has nothing to do with that :) 

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Hi, y’all!

I’ve met Linux Lite more than once in the past, yet I didn’t install it, despite it running very well as a live system. Maybe the fact that it’s always based on LTS to have played a role, LTS having its pros and its cons too.

Recently, I got angry at a stupid German review, because I felt it’s so wrong and biased against Linux Lite. The author, Michl Franken, has a site with contents that I consider almost useless and sometimes forced, meaning that it lures people to read the site to find the latest news, somewhat like OMG! Ubuntu! and 9to5Linux, but in German and with more original content. Here’s the culprit: Linux Lite 5.0 – „einfach – schnell – frei“ oder einfach sinnfrei? (Linux Lite 5.0 – “simple – fast – free” or simply pointless?)

The incompetent (you’ll see why I say that) and arrogant (because he posts thousands of nonsensical “articles” for getting traffic, just like the two aforementioned sites) reviewer has opinions that could be translated as follows:

 :banghead«Overall, a workable desktop is delivered, but it lacks customization options and fine adjustments for individualization, especially for beginners.»

This is an idiocy. In which way is any other XFCE-based distro more customizable by the beginners?!

 :banghead«The firewall configuration can only start, stop or show the status of the firewall. Where is the option to set rules here? Unfortunately, one does not cover oneself with fame here when Linux beginners are supposed to set FW rules via the terminal. GUFW as a helper solves this better.»

The guy is a moron, and I assume what I said. The Settings menu shows two firewall icons: “Firewall (Firewall Configuration)” which starts firewall-config in which everything can be configured, and “Firewall Config (Enable or Disable FirewallD)” which indeed can only start or stop the firewall through lite-firewallconfig. And unfortunately, the Settings Manager window only shows the second one, so the clumsy reviewer thought there’s no other tool available! Pathetic and misleading. Libelous, if you prefer.

 :banghead«Linux Lite is an entry-level Linux distribution. But why I should install Linux Lite when I could install Debian, Ubuntu or Xubuntu or another distro with XFCE, unfortunately I do not understand. Don’t get me wrong, the approaches, especially with the documentation, are really very good. But do I have to create a separate Linux distribution for every little idea? I do not think so. Linux Lite undeniably has some very interesting incentives in the Lite Tools. If this could have been integrated into Xubuntu, it would probably have been better for everyone.»

The various Lite Tools, including the Lite Tweaks, are very welcome and a strong selling point, if I can use that verb.

 :banghead«In my opinion, this also shows the negative dark side of the Linux land. Smaller distributions are created, some of which also pursue good ideas. But I think it is unlikely that these will ever become more widespread. There are already alternatives here that don’t make mistakes themselves.»

Which alternatives?! Is Xubuntu perfect as it is, or is this about a non-specified Xubuntu derivative? Confusing and void.

 :banghead«So I come to the conclusion that Linux Lite is hardly worth recommending. Too few incentives to justify a separate distribution. In other words: What separates Debian and Ubuntu is missing here between Linux Lite and Xbubuntu. Furthermore, it is a mystery to me how this distro can take home 24th place on Distrowatch. Distrowatch is obviously not really representative, but it is a certain indicator.»

Nobody ever said Linux Lite is to Xubuntu what Ubuntu is to Debian! This guy is dishonest. To me, the major advantage and the main purpose of Linux Lite was to offer an out-of-the-box experience that’s familiar to users of Windows or KDE, with polishes and default settings that make a system fully usable right away (in contrast to “The N Things to Do After Installing Xubuntu”)! And, for the most of it, Linux Lite almost managed to achieve its objectives.

I would nonetheless come with my own critics and suggestions of improvement, hoping they’ll be taken for what they are. Some are based on the small customizations I’d do in either of the live session or the installed system, some are more or less bugs, and some are small annoyances.
  • I understand the main target are the beginners, but in Desktop Settings, Icons, I’d uncheck “Removable Devices.” You know, Windows and KDE don’t show the mounted devices on the desktop. And it can get cluttered. Many reviewers of XFCE criticize this default setting.
  • I’d also increase the icon size from 48 to 50 or better 52, to better accommodate longer labels.
  • In Thunar, I’d change the default view to Compact List, in which I’d definitely increase the icon size (zoom in once) so that the icons become blue instead of white. What’s the purpose of an icon theme if the icons aren’t themed in a file manager’s Compact and Detailed modes?
  • The handle on the panel is ugly and useless, I’d remove it (right click on it: Window Buttons, Properties, uncheck “Show Handle”).
  • The Settings Manager should include icons for both Firewall configuration and enable/disable tools (firewall-config and lite-firewallconfig)!
  • The Window Manager’s Style has a too small height of the title bar, and this cannot be changed. It’s maybe the only thing that breaks the otherwise nice and consistent theming. Usability can be improved e.g. by using a larger font, but the height of the title bar won’t increase.
  • The package lite-themes is actually improperly made, because it conflicts with adapta-gtk-theme, without specifically being marked so, therefore trying to install adapta-gtk-theme fails midway. Either the conflicts of LL’s package should properly be updated, or (much better) the themes it includes should be renamed (e.g. Adapta Lite, Adapta-Nokto Lite, etc.) so that the original themes could still be installed.
  • The same lite-themes has one more issue: it doesn’t only include the older, more limited set of Microsoft fonts offered by ttf-mscorefonts-installer, but also the Win7-Win10 exclusive fonts, which to my knowledge cannot be distributed. It’s not a patent issue, but a copyright one. One fix would be to split it in more packages, so that a lite-extra-fonts would include the legally challenged fonts. Even if preinstalled, this would be much better IMO.
  • Unlike other distros using a GTK-based DE, LL doesn’t bother to theme Qt5 apps. Try with a dark theme on something small, e.g. featherpad. The simplest fix (there are many others) would be to install qt5-gtk2-platformtheme and echo "export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2" >> ~/.profile, then logout and log in again. At a distro level, a better choice were to put this in /etc/skel/.profile. (If qt5ct were to be used, its options would be saved in ~/.config/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf, and in ~/.profile should either be nothing, or export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct.) Not nice for a beginner to have the need to use a Qt5-based app and not to know how to make it look consistent with the rest of LL, especially with a dark theme.
  • The major usability issue in many XFCE themes, and unfortunately in LL too, is the difficulty to resize a window, because of a too thin resize margin. You’ll find here in the forum a question from 2017, still unanswered: “How do I increase the tolerance for window resizing with the mouse? It is difficult with a mouse and even more so with a laptop track-pad.” On Ask Ubuntu, from 2014, but still valid: “How do I increase the resize margin on windows? It takes me about 5 tries to resize a window on my computer. Is there a way to increase the resize margin on the edge of windows?” Most people don’t know they can use Alt+MiddleClick to resize! What I see in LL’s themes is that instead of metacity-theme-1.xml, there are metacity-theme-2.xml and metacity-theme-3.xml, and that metacity-theme-3.xml sets zero resize margins! (Look under frame_geometry name="normal" for distance names left_width, right_width, and bottom_height.) YMMV, but I cannot see how a null resize margin can be helpful to anyone!
  • Suppose one wants to install the yaru-gtk-theme (just the theme, not the icons!), because it’s warmer. Then they’ll notice the LL icon in the Whisker menu has a black background, not a transparent one, and it doesn’t fit aesthetically anymore (this is true for all LL tools in the Settings Manager). In my case, I had to change the panel button icon from xfce4-whiskermenu to desktop-environment-xfce.

And now, for an experiment: being based on 20.04 LTS, LL only has XFCE 4.14, not 4.16, thus lacking a few improvements, of which I like Thunar’s ability to pause a file transfer. I can see efforts to bring e.g. a newer xfce4-weather-plugin, which doesn’t require a newer XFCE, but I wanted to see if I could get XFCE 4.16 in LL 5.4.

My experiment was to add a PPA that provides XFCE 4.16 to a 20.04 LTS base containing 4.14, then a PPA that provides Warpinator, and a PPA that provides the e-book reader Foliate, and see how everything works!

It worked, and I shortly described the experience on my blog: Quick Experiment in “Improving” Linux Lite. There are some caveats, so it’s not for everyone, and it can obviously break at some point. But I’m using Linux since 1995, so I can’t be scared that easily.



These being said, is there any chance for some of my suggestions to trigger changes in Linux Lite 5.6?

All the best,
Ludditus, long ago known as Béranger
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Introductions / Re: Bugs on this forum's software! (nice way to start, eh?)
« Last post by firenice03 on May 30, 2021, 10:05:12 AM »
@ludditus, Trinidad was being helpful his view does have the option as do I, we are both moderators.
As Jerry as mentioned have you reached out to a moderator?
If not I can address later today, if you could PM me the specifics.
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Other / Re: gui menu apps not launching
« Last post by noweare on May 30, 2021, 09:51:07 AM »
I found my problem, some of the bash scripts had python3 in them which for some reason I must of got rid of so it couldn't find python3.
I made a soft link to point python3 at python3.6 so now they are working. 

I ran you inxi -Syxx command but it returned Error 21: Width option requires an integer value of 80 or more.
You entered: xx

I looked at the command syntax and it seems like a very powerful command. At first glance I could not figure out what the
yxx respresented but I would like to get familiar with it. Seems like a good way to get system information from the command line.

Anyways thanks for responding. 
~Joe
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Other / Re: gui menu apps not launching
« Last post by Moltke on May 30, 2021, 09:28:27 AM »
Can you post the output of
Code: [Select]
inxi -Syxx run that in a terminal, then copy/paste the output in your reply.
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Introductions / Re: Bugs on this forum's software! (nice way to start, eh?)
« Last post by ludditus on May 30, 2021, 08:25:49 AM »
The Delete account option has been removed.
Fine, but please note that Trinidad Cruz insisted that "Account deletion is from the profile page." If he didn't know that, how was I supposed to know about it?! He was supposed to be helpful, but he wasn't.
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Video Cards / Re: Old Onboard Graphics and Linux Lite
« Last post by burrezo on May 30, 2021, 06:56:17 AM »
Hi mdiemer

You can try somthing like this: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=1924354#p1924354
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Introductions / Re: Bugs on this forum's software! (nice way to start, eh?)
« Last post by Jerry on May 29, 2021, 10:43:20 PM »
The Delete account option has been removed. If you give people that power, then you will lose all of their posts too. Imagine someone with over 1000 posts deleting their own account, what a terrible waste of knowledge and help. There should not be any 'bugs' here, some of the things you may be used to, have either been deliberately removed or changed, and there will be, like the account removal process, a good, logical reason for it. Constructive criticism is welcome, as long as it is respectful eg. no sarcasm or ego, just the facts. Many of the things in Linux Lite and in here, are because the community asked for it, and it made sense to implement.
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