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New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - kpanic - 08-24-2018

Here is the thing. When you buy a brand new computer, It does not matter which operating system
you install into it - your new system must obey the OS, which is - in many cases - years behind
your shining new hardware.

This is one very good reason to use older hardware (5-10 years old or so), since people who make
device drivers and such for those chips and motherboards, have had enough time to
fine-tune every little detail.

And that is why LL, which is an OS for "older hardware" runs so fast and smooth in these older laptops.
The drivers are finally ready! Smile  But people who buy their laptops now, will need to wait a good amount
of time until their new hardware has good software support.

A new computer is of course a new computer, it has it's benefits and it will probably run LL crazy fast and smooth.
However, there is no way out of the fact that their capacity must wait until the software catches up.

Just my humble opinion


Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - MohamedKhaled - 08-25-2018

(08-24-2018, 10:22 PM)kpanic link Wrote: Here is the thing. When you buy a brand new computer, It does not matter which operating system
you install into it - your new system must obey the OS, which is - in many cases - years behind
your shining new hardware.
This is one very good reason to use older hardware (5-10 years old or so), since people who make
device drivers and such for those chips and motherboards, have had enough time to
fine-tune every little detail.
And that is why LL, which is an OS for "older hardware" runs so fast and smooth in these older laptops.
The drivers are finally ready! Smile  But people who buy their laptops now, will need to wait a good amount
of time until their new hardware has good software support.
A new computer is of course a new computer, it has it's benefits and it will probably run LL crazy fast and smooth.
However, there is no way out of the fact that their capacity must wait until the software catches up.
Wait what .... do you have any sources for what you are saying ,
you know that you're carrying people away from Linux by saying this and even if what you are saying about drivers is true doesn't that mean that windows will suffer from the same problem as that drivers wont be ready i mean windows use generic drivers which in my case runs my screen at 1024x768 (iam talking about video drivers) while Linux open drivers runs my screen at its normal 1280x800 so i think that in that case Linux is better also many well known chipset makers create drivers for their chipsets even before unveiling it .. i know that you say that the drivers aren't still updated enough but basically for anyone who ever tried Linux you are basically saying DON'T BUY NEW LAPTOPS WAIT FOR THEM TO GET A LITTLE BIT OLD which is of course wrong
PS OS doesn't work with chipsets or in other words drivers that way i can create an OS and if people at nvidia find that my os is popular enough they just find a way to make their GPU work with my OS . i do nothing on my part at least nothing related to the drivers this is why if you faced any problem in windows you will face it in Ubuntu etc.
PSS don't take it personal i just think that many people will get carried away by what you said im sure that there's some true facts in your post

Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - kpanic - 08-29-2018

[member=7138]MohamedKhaled[/member] , I don't take it personally, I encourage criticism.

I think I chose the subject of this topic incorrectly, now that I think of it, it should
have been something like "New hardware cannot use all of it's potential".
But old hardware can! All I'm saying (I tried to say) is that.

And as I said already in the previous post, new computer/hardware will probably
run crazy fast on Linux. I do know what I'm talking about, I've been using Linux
since 1997 - over 20 years constantly. I've been working as a system administrator
in well known leading technology companies  - just to tell you that I know what I'm
talking about. And I really support everyone to try Linux and give it a chance, since
it happens to be the best Operating System in the World - by far.


Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - MohamedKhaled - 08-31-2018


now that you explained it I agree with you at that point
(08-29-2018, 06:07 PM)kpanic link Wrote: I think I chose the subject of this topic incorrectly, now that I think of it, it should
have been something like "New hardware cannot use all of it's potential".
But old hardware can! All I'm saying (I tried to say) is that.
hope that you reply here in case of any problem we will sure try to help you out.
Best Regards

Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - ohjrson - 09-04-2018

Ok So here is my extremely humble opinion on that issue about using LL OS. I try to use LL OS in my old computers and for the most part it is very fast compared to Windows 98, XP, and 7. Most of the older computers run very efficiently with LL. Now here is where I am not so "into" LL. With windows you can simply plug and play most anything. And with LL you can do the same for most items. However if there is something new there is a whole bunch of research you have to do to get it to work. Which means you have to know some programming, or at least how a program works. Sure you are limited to what Windows will let you do in windows and you are not limited in LL to a point. BUt with Windows EVERYONE knows how to navigate through things. LL you have to struggle and figure out what program does what and how it benefits you. Then if it does not work you have to struggle more to figure out what you have to do to get it to work. I think that all people want to do with an Operating system is plug in a phone or a device and it works. This is not true with any OS system I know as of yet, but Windows is inching closer and closer. No I have not done a lot of research on what I am saying BUT I do know this, the masses are looking for a simple yet elegant OS that they can just go with and do whatever they want with it no limits. I think with more help LL could be that system but its is like Windows far away from being perfect.

Now please don't hate me. I like LL too, mainly because it is free. But also because in a lot of cases it is better than windows. I just hate having to figure out why or what needs to be done to get something I am working on to work.

Cheers.

Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - kpanic - 09-09-2018

[member=54]ohjrson[/member] ,

Here I must remind people that Linux is NOT an operating system, it is an operating system kernel - and those are very
different things. Now that we all know that strictly speaking Linux means an operating system kernel, we are able to see
that people are able to CREATE all kinds of operating systems which run ON Linux: Ubuntu, Redhat, SuSE, LL, Debian,
Slackware and literally hundreds of others - there is no comparison when it comes to the core reliability, stability and speed.

It is not Linux's fault if some of these OS packagers make mistakes - Linux (as a kernel) is rock solid.
And when it comes to Linux Lite, I have not seen a better OS yet - and I have been in this business before some of you
were even born yet Smile

That is why institutions like NASA, CERN and ESA use Linux, yes- if you end up working for some very hi-tech company
or institution, you won't be running Windows there. If you like games, social media and paying for every little detail, then
by all means use Mac or Windows.

Fun fact: Most of the web-servers in the whole World run on Linux - so, next time you open your browser (oh, it is open already),
you are almost certainly communicating with a Linux web-server


Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - ohjrson - 10-08-2018

(09-09-2018, 06:55 PM)kpanic link Wrote:[member=54]ohjrson[/member] ,

Here I must remind people that Linux is NOT an operating system, it is an operating system kernel - and those are very
different things. Now that we all know that strictly speaking Linux means an operating system kernel, we are able to see
that people are able to CREATE all kinds of operating systems which run ON Linux: Ubuntu, Redhat, SuSE, LL, Debian,
Slackware and literally hundreds of others - there is no comparison when it comes to the core reliability, stability and speed.

It is not Linux's fault if some of these OS packagers make mistakes - Linux (as a kernel) is rock solid.
And when it comes to Linux Lite, I have not seen a better OS yet - and I have been in this business before some of you
were even born yet Smile

That is why institutions like NASA, CERN and ESA use Linux, yes- if you end up working for some very hi-tech company
or institution, you won't be running Windows there. If you like games, social media and paying for every little detail, then
by all means use Mac or Windows.

Fun fact: Most of the web-servers in the whole World run on Linux - so, next time you open your browser (oh, it is open already),
you are almost certainly communicating with a Linux web-server

Alas, See what I mean!! I did not know that Linux was an OS kernel and NOT an OS. Learn something new everyday. I was NOT aware that most of the worlds servers use Linux web servers, however it would make sense. I feel very inclined to say I'm sorry for my comments, but I still think that LL could very well be the one OS Kernel to beat the Windows Kernel in its usefulness. (am I saying that right?) Windows seems to have the dominance right now in the user friendliest portion of the fight for dominance. LL however seems a bit more held back especially since the implementation of UEFI. Now there is a or could be a lengthy work around for every potential LL user to install (LL) to a newer laptop or system. Would look like Windows is making it very hard indeed for users to choose what kind of Kernel or OS they can master or use. How fair is that?

Cheers

Re: New Laptop with modern LL? NO man! - Moltke - 10-08-2018

Quote:I did not know that Linux was an OS kernel and NOT an OS.
Linux is an OS "just like" Windows and MAC OS. Yes, they all use different approaches but deep down they all rely on the kernel for the same purposes; they all consist of a user mode and a kernel mode. The main differences are libraries; Windows use mainly DLLs(dynamic-link library) while Linux uses .SOs(shared object) MAC OS uses DYLIBs(dynamic library). You can find out more on these links:
https://techterms.com/definition/dll
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LibraryArchives-StaticAndDynamic.html
https://fileinfo.com/extension/dylib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Windows_NT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_operating_systems

Quote:LL you have to struggle and figure out what program does what and how it benefits you
And when you use or used to Windows, you didn't do this? I did. The thing's with Linux you have more info about that program; you can even modify it to your taste/need as long as you have the knowledge of course, while in Windows you only have to click and run xy soft without even care to know what it does; you assume the program will do what it is supposed to, but sometimes this is not the case and there's when issues arise. Let's take CCleaner for example, most people assume it cleans and optimizes their pc, but how exactly? What is the measure for it to happen? Truth is I never really saw much difference when using it than when I didn't. On the other hand, Linux doesn't need a CCleaner like software, yes, there's bleachbit and and a few others, in LL you have Lite Tweaks, which is great by the way, but all you need to do is to clean/delete your  web browser history once a while as per your needs and/or open a terminal and type
Code:
$ sudo apt autoremove
  which is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed as dependencies changed or the package(s) needing them  were removed in the meantime. With these two steps you're peforming a basic maintenance routine without needing any third software to do it for you, and the best part is that you have control over what happens and why. Luckily for us we're LL users so there's Lite Tweaks which will do all of that for us Big Grin. I recommend reading man pages since there's plenty of info about your system and its installed programs and how to use them. You can start by reading these ones:
man apt, man apt-get, man apt cache, man aptitude, man systemd, man dpkg, man man...and do man pkg where pkg is the name of the program you want to know more about i.e man nano, man firefox, man vcl...also, you might want to know a little more about your system, explore it by "lsing" across directories from the terminal and just check each directory contents
Code:
$ ls /usr/bin
you'll see lots and lots of files and folders here.
Code:
$ ls /usr/lib
where Linux's precious libraries are kept. Don't worry you'll make no harm by typing these commands, you're only listing directories' contents, feel free to try some others. 

Cheers! Smile