(02-01-2019, 04:04 PM)trinidad link Wrote: [member=8996]Derek_[/member]  wrote: But people are used to mobile phones with a billion apps, and WinMac with a billion apps so i don't know.

You're right. You don't know. You're comparing apples and oranges. Apps as you refer to them here are not system files. Most of those billions are java and web language abstractions. Applications in synaptic and in so-called software centers include binaries and binary dependencies that integrate into your system.

Also I-phones, Android phones, Apple Macs, and Windows 10 are all built on much older system kernels and binaries than Ubuntu. Linux software uses abstraction layers of java in applications like LibreOffice but most of those billions of apps you refer to are a patchwork quilt of useless code (often 32bit) too OLD to run efficiently and securely on newer Linux systems. When it comes to "apps" as you refer to them "new" in the Windows/Mac/Android world is very often not new.  Maybe somebody built it just yesterday, and wow it still works on Windows 10, but it's code base is too old for Ubuntu.

Also anyone who thinks synaptic package manager is too complex shouldn't go near the CLI of a modern Linux system.

Also the main problem with "software centers" the way you mean them is that they are resource hogs in GUI mode. I used to hate KDE's, and I wish it was never added into Ubuntu. A lot of applications in them are not included in the initial install of whatever base system they're on because they a often LESS efficient alternatives. The same can be said of Debian's synaptic as well, but Debian users think that way normally: understand that those 50.000 applications are not there because they're new; and most of what's new in already in the OS.

TC

(02-01-2019, 05:52 PM)smhardesty link Wrote: Ouch! Oh, wow. I just read what you have stated about your involvement with the recipients, their case-workers, and the lady who runs the show. I now have the picture firmly envisioned. 1) You load an older, low powered laptop with Linux, deliver it to some lady, then walk away. 2) The "lady who runs the show" is only "vaguely familiar with" Linux of any flavor. 3) Case workers who probably know nothing about Linux and even less about Linux Lite then distribute the laptops directly to the recipients. Regardless of what I have said before, and might say after, this is a losing battle. Who do you expect to answer questions about Linux? Who is to provide instruction or advice? It seems you really do think these poor kids should just sit down at a PC and intuitively know everything they need to know to use the device. It's not going to happen, Derek. If I'm the first to say it to you, I'm sorry. If other members of this forum think I'm wrong and these kids are going to be sharp enough and bright enough to learn Linux from scratch, by themselves, I'm sure those members will chastise me and voice their opinions.

As to the "Software Center" and it's limited choices of software, unless changes have been made to Windows in the past ten plus years, where is there a "Software Center" or application similar to Synaptic to view and install software? Did Microsoft suddenly decide to provide a means to effortlessly install the "billions" of apps available for each and every version of Windows currently supported? How did they get around the proprietary software agreements? Are they allowing Windows users to install Microsoft Office for free on every Windows PC? You are asking Linux, and specifically Lite to offer every piece of software available in a simple, easy to use, software installer. If you want tens of thousands of free choices, learn Synaptic. Using only the default repositories you have literally tens of thousands of FREE software choices. How many similar choices are available for FREE for Windows? Shareware? Understand what shareware is and what is actually supposed to occur - PAYMENT for use. And what you may not be aware of is that you are completely free to add additional repositories to Synaptic. I'm not sure how many, but I have 5 or 6 additional added at the present time. Synaptic (or other means of updating) then updates not only the software choice, but every dependency that choice requires - effortlessly and without even having to think about it.

I'll also cover updating here briefly. You stated in another thread your displeasure with how "Lite Updates" worked. I suggested you "try looking into the tweaked Mint Update Manager that Ralphy has provided us". I'm guessing you haven't searched for, nor researched for your use, the tweaked update manager. I have to believe if you had, you would most certainly have posted some reply about how nice it will be to provide such a simple and easy to use update method for your laptop recipients.

Please don't expect ANY version of Linux, or any other OS, to be a "one size fits all", do everything for you, operating system. Those don't (and have never) exist. That includes PC-DOS/MS-DOS 1.0. Life, and computers, just don't work that way. Sorry.