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Title: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 09, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad 3 15ITL05 laptop and replaced the small 128GB hard drive with a Samsung 980 1TB (I need the room), but am having three problems with the Linux Lite 5.4 OS I installed in the new hard drive:

1) The touchpad isn't working. I'm currently using an USB mouse.
2) The battery power indicator in the taskbar is missing.
3) I can't find any "Lid closed" options to lock the screen when the lid is closed.

Also, there is some screen tearing when watching videos.

I'm new at using Linux, so please keep that in mind when giving suggestions. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 09, 2022, 03:37:43 PM
I just upgraded to Linux Lite 5.8, but all of the problems are still there. Is there a laptop version of Linux operating systems that have all of these options readily available?

I don't understand, if Linux OS is for both desktops and laptops, that it can't automatically detect whether the system that it's being in stalled on is a desktop or laptop during the installation process. Or, at the very least, ask if you're installing it on a desktop or laptop.

It shouldn't be this hard to make it work for laptops.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 09, 2022, 04:09:43 PM
I fixed one: The battery indicator in the taskbar is in the Xfce Power manager settings.

Menu > Settings > "Power Manager"

Lid options are there, too, but they aren't doing anything. When I choose either "Shut off screen/Sleep/Hibernate," it just freezes the screen (the cursor still works, though. Weird.); it doesn't go to the log in screen.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: Moltke on March 09, 2022, 04:36:17 PM
Hi. Can you launch Linux lite terminal, and run this command?
Code: [Select]
inxi -Fbx Then copy/paste the output in your reply, please.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 09, 2022, 05:00:29 PM
System:
  Host: jaymz-IdeaPad-3-15ITL05 Kernel: 5.4.0-104-generic x86_64 bits: 64
  compiler: gcc v: 9.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2 Distro: Linux Lite 5.8 LTS
  base: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS (Focal Fossa)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 81X8 v: IdeaPad 3 15ITL05
  serial: <superuser/root required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: LNVNB161216 v: SDK0T76475 WIN
  serial: <superuser/root required> UEFI: LENOVO v: GCCN21WW
  date: 06/11/2021
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 35.5 Wh condition: 35.5/35.3 Wh (100%)
  model: CPT-COS L16C2PB1 status: Full
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: 11th Gen Intel Core i3-1115G4 bits: 64
  type: MT MCP arch: Tiger Lake rev: 1 L2 cache: 6144 KiB bogomips: 23961
  Speed: 1073 MHz min/max: 400/4100 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1234 2: 1227
  3: 1219 4: 1264
  Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat
  arch_capabilities arch_perfmon art avx avx2 avx512_bitalg avx512_vbmi2
  avx512_vnni avx512_vp2intersect avx512_vpopcntdq avx512bw avx512cd
  avx512dq avx512f avx512ifma avx512vbmi avx512vl bmi1 bmi2 bts cat_l2
  cdp_l2 clflush clflushopt clwb cmov constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16
  cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts epb ept ept_ad erms est f16c flexpriority
  flush_l1d fma fpu fsgsbase fxsr gfni ht hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp
  hwp_notify hwp_pkg_req ibpb ibrs ibrs_enhanced ida intel_pt invpcid
  invpcid_single lahf_lm lm mca mce md_clear mmx monitor movbe movdir64b
  movdiri msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx ospke pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm
  pdpe1gb pebs pge pku pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pts rdpid rdrand rdseed
  rdt_a rdtscp rep_good sdbg sep sha_ni smap smep ss ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1
  sse4_2 ssse3 stibp syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust
  tsc_deadline_timer tsc_known_freq umip vaes vme vmx vnmi vpclmulqdq vpid
  x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A bus ID: 0000:00:02.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: fbdev
  unloaded: modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~77Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 12.0.0 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 21.2.6
  direct render: Yes
Network:
  Device-1: Intel driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: 3000 bus ID: 0000:00:14.3
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.14 TiB used: 276.66 GiB (23.6%)
Info:
  Processes: 209 Uptime: 44m Memory: 3.64 GiB used: 1.13 GiB (31.0%)
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 9.4.0 Shell: bash v: 5.0.17
  inxi: 3.0.38
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 09, 2022, 05:24:14 PM
I guess I'm okay with manually logging out when I have to close the screen when I don't have to completely shut down the laptop, but not being able to use the touchpad is already getting really annoying and hate this screen tearing issue.

My friend who suggested I buy a Lenovo laptop (he bought his in 2017) said he installed regular Ubuntu on his Lenovo laptop and had no issues, but I really don't like the layout of regular Ubuntu and since I'm newly coming from Windows, Lite is easier for me to navigate.

I had an issue Lite 5.4 on my old 2011 HP desktop with screen tearing, but I figured it was just because the desktop was really old and had an Nvidia graphics card (I read Nvidia is very difficult for Linux devs to work with). I didn't expect to have this much problems with the latest Lite 5.8 and my new Lenovo laptop I got last Saturday that was manufactured last year.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 10, 2022, 01:28:10 AM
I tried the newest Mint, Ubuntu 20.04 and a clean install of Lite 5.8. None fixed any of the problems. On Lite 5.8 right now.

Upon further research, I think I might just not have a Synaptic touchpad driver. Is there any way to install it instead of whatever I have now?

I still don't understand why Linux has such problems with screen tearing, too. I'm really considering giving up on Linux entirely and going back to Windows and just cloning the original Windows drive to the new 1TB drive.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: firenice03 on March 10, 2022, 10:14:46 AM
@JaymzRG


1st thing to check is after installing updates, is to check "Install Drivers"
You can find this on the Welcome Screen, Menu (type the name)..
Under the Additional Drivers you may see additional drivers for your system...


Under Control Panel:
Also for video - you may want to check "Display" and can try different resolution/refresh configurations.


"Mouse and Touchpad" also listed - Under devices, next to device on the far right ensure button is enabled.


"Power Manager" which you've found, you can adjust the settings in the tab.
My laptop is still on LL4.8 but I believe the screens/functionality are the same...


Any of the programs listed or on the system can also be searched - click the menu button and type the name... i.e. type Lite and all the programs specific will resolve.


One other piece of advice - I would make a backup via TimeShift, is like a Last Know Good Config..
Should you attempt to install drivers or apply fixes to correct the hardware - you can easily revert back to the current/pre state.
Then once you're happy - you can delete the old and make another back up...


Keeping in line with easy fixes or those easily reverted...
What I would try next, is a newer kernel.. Your using 5.4 perhaps a newer kernel..
Search for "Lite Tweaks" then "Kernel Installer".. I would maybe try 5.8 then 5.10 or 5.12 .. you dont have to try each one.. BUT I would try the lower then next higher = so when you reboot (you'll have to) you will automatically boot to the HIGHEST...


You can remove old kernels with "Kernel Remover" in tweaks...
FYI WHEN REMOVING...
You cannot remove the in use kernel - safety net as to not break system...
IF the new kernel does not work or the system does not like it (say things stop working)..
Return to the last working kernel by rebooting - then on the "Grub Screen" - choose "Advanced" then choose the desired kernel (5.4) ...


To confirm what kernel you're using/booted to
Code: [Select]
uname -r

If you want to try an older kernel = same as above but you'll want to choose the "Advanced" on grub to select the older..


If joy is found - you can use "Kernel Remover" to any other tested kernels... But I'd keep 5.4.xxx -- I like to keep the previous kernel or 2 just to make sure all is good :)


** This sounds like a lot - but its not really **
LL has simplified a lot of this functionality and is all GUI based (less the 1 command I provided)


And every listed here is easily recoverable.

Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: trinidad on March 10, 2022, 10:54:42 AM
The Tiger Lake 11 gen (1st rel 12/20) released code to the open 5.10 kernel first. Older kernels may or may not be full featured.

TC
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: Moltke on March 10, 2022, 02:42:51 PM
I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad 3 15ITL05 laptop

Is this your laptop? https://www.coolblue.be/en/product/878441/lenovo-ideapad-3-15itl05-81x800cvmb-azerty.html Well, if that's the case, it uses the Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics processor and you might want to read here https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/devices/iris-xe-max-graphics/index.html An excerpt:
Quote
While support for the Intel Iris Xe Graphics processor has already been integrated into Linux* and integrated into Linux-based distributions such as Ubuntu 20.04.1, enabling work for the Intel Iris Xe MAX graphics processor in Linux* is ongoing.
In that same link, they
Quote
provide early access to that software and instructions to configure an Ubuntu 20.04.1 system so you can take advantage of both graphics adapters today.
Which are not trivial. I think that's the issue; the driver for that GPU isn't being loaded, and your inxi output kind of confirms that cause it says:
Code: [Select]
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A bus ID: 0000:00:02.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: fbdev
  unloaded: modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~77Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 12.0.0 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 21.2.6
  direct render: Yes
It should list the driver as:
Code: [Select]
driver: i915
At least according to that link I shared above. Instead, it's using the fbdev driver https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/4-fbdev/
Quote
fbdev is an Xorg driver for framebuffer devices. This is a non-accelerated driver, the following framebuffer depths are supported: 8, 15, 16, 24. All visual types are supported for depth 8, and TrueColor visual is supported for the other depths. Multi-head configurations are supported.

I would try a new kernel, 5.11+ and see if that makes things better.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 10, 2022, 03:05:06 PM
Lots of solutions being thrown at me. Thank you all, first of all, lol.

I'll try these and let you know which work! See you all soon!
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 10, 2022, 03:52:35 PM
@JaymzRG


1st thing to check is after installing updates, is to check "Install Drivers"
You can find this on the Welcome Screen, Menu (type the name)..
Under the Additional Drivers you may see additional drivers for your system...


Under Control Panel:
Also for video - you may want to check "Display" and can try different resolution/refresh configurations.


"Mouse and Touchpad" also listed - Under devices, next to device on the far right ensure button is enabled.


"Power Manager" which you've found, you can adjust the settings in the tab.
My laptop is still on LL4.8 but I believe the screens/functionality are the same...


Any of the programs listed or on the system can also be searched - click the menu button and type the name... i.e. type Lite and all the programs specific will resolve.


One other piece of advice - I would make a backup via TimeShift, is like a Last Know Good Config..
Should you attempt to install drivers or apply fixes to correct the hardware - you can easily revert back to the current/pre state.
Then once you're happy - you can delete the old and make another back up...


Keeping in line with easy fixes or those easily reverted...
What I would try next, is a newer kernel.. Your using 5.4 perhaps a newer kernel..
Search for "Lite Tweaks" then "Kernel Installer".. I would maybe try 5.8 then 5.10 or 5.12 .. you dont have to try each one.. BUT I would try the lower then next higher = so when you reboot (you'll have to) you will automatically boot to the HIGHEST...


You can remove old kernels with "Kernel Remover" in tweaks...
FYI WHEN REMOVING...
You cannot remove the in use kernel - safety net as to not break system...
IF the new kernel does not work or the system does not like it (say things stop working)..
Return to the last working kernel by rebooting - then on the "Grub Screen" - choose "Advanced" then choose the desired kernel (5.4) ...


To confirm what kernel you're using/booted to
Code: [Select]
uname -r

If you want to try an older kernel = same as above but you'll want to choose the "Advanced" on grub to select the older..


If joy is found - you can use "Kernel Remover" to any other tested kernels... But I'd keep 5.4.xxx -- I like to keep the previous kernel or 2 just to make sure all is good :)


** This sounds like a lot - but its not really **
LL has simplified a lot of this functionality and is all GUI based (less the 1 command I provided)


And every listed here is easily recoverable.

It says "no additional drivers available" in Additional Drivers.

Mouse and Touchpad only lists the external mouse I'm using in the drop-down menu.

All newer kernels I installed with the Kernel Installer say that is has an "invalid signature" and that I need to "load the kernel first" at start-up.

I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad 3 15ITL05 laptop

Is this your laptop? https://www.coolblue.be/en/product/878441/lenovo-ideapad-3-15itl05-81x800cvmb-azerty.html Well, if that's the case, it uses the Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics processor and you might want to read here https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/devices/iris-xe-max-graphics/index.html An excerpt:
Quote
While support for the Intel Iris Xe Graphics processor has already been integrated into Linux* and integrated into Linux-based distributions such as Ubuntu 20.04.1, enabling work for the Intel Iris Xe MAX graphics processor in Linux* is ongoing.
In that same link, they
Quote
provide early access to that software and instructions to configure an Ubuntu 20.04.1 system so you can take advantage of both graphics adapters today.
Which are not trivial. I think that's the issue; the driver for that GPU isn't being loaded, and your inxi output kind of confirms that cause it says:
Code: [Select]
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel vendor: Lenovo driver: N/A bus ID: 0000:00:02.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 driver: fbdev
  unloaded: modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~77Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 12.0.0 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 21.2.6
  direct render: Yes
It should list the driver as:
Code: [Select]
driver: i915
At least according to that link I shared above. Instead, it's using the fbdev driver https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/4-fbdev/
Quote
fbdev is an Xorg driver for framebuffer devices. This is a non-accelerated driver, the following framebuffer depths are supported: 8, 15, 16, 24. All visual types are supported for depth 8, and TrueColor visual is supported for the other depths. Multi-head configurations are supported.

I would try a new kernel, 5.11+ and see if that makes things better.

I didn't wanna try this Ire Xe solution because it says it's for Ubuntu 20.04 (I'm using Linux Lite) and already messed up one OS trying another "Tear-free" tweak I found on other sites. I really don't wanna reinstall the OS again, lol.

------

Some have said that if you switch from Xorg to Wayland, that can also fix screen-tearing, but have no idea where to go in Lite.

Also, can anyone help me figure out hot to do the following:

- Figure out how to install the Synaptics driver. It seems to be missing and is what the problem is with the touchpad not working at all.
- How to use the HDMI output to connect to an external screen. I was able to mirror it with Windows 11 with ease, but get "no input" with Linux.
- Enable the F11/F12 buttons to adjust screen brightness.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 10, 2022, 07:23:31 PM
Good news! I figured out what the problem was with the newer kernels not loading on startup. I had to disable Secure Boot in BIOS/UEFI. No more screen tearing and I can connect an external screen via HDMI for screen mirroring.

I'm using Linux Lite 5.8, Kernel 5.16 now.

The F11/F12 screen brightness buttons is still not working and the touchpad is still not showing up in "Mouse and Touchpad." Hopefully, those are minor adjustments that I have to find. Does anyone have any suggestions for these?
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: Moltke on March 10, 2022, 11:41:55 PM
@JaymzRG
I didn't wanna try this Ire Xe solution because it says it's for Ubuntu 20.04 (I'm using Linux Lite) and already messed up one OS trying another "Tear-free" tweak I found on other sites. I really don't wanna reinstall the OS again, lol.

Linux Lite is based on Ubuntu.  :55:
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 11, 2022, 12:38:06 AM
@JaymzRG
I didn't wanna try this Ire Xe solution because it says it's for Ubuntu 20.04 (I'm using Linux Lite) and already messed up one OS trying another "Tear-free" tweak I found on other sites. I really don't wanna reinstall the OS again, lol.

Linux Lite is based on Ubuntu.  :55:

Oh. ok! Lol. I was able to get rid of the screen tearing but upgrading the kernel to 5.16.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 11, 2022, 01:35:22 AM
I looked through the online specs guides of my laptop (https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05_Spec.pdf) and it seems like either, according to some other sites I looked at on Google, Linux Lite only supports Synaptics touchpads (I think mine is Precision, according to page 4 of the pdf I posted) or I need to just wait for Linux to make a driver for my touchpad, seeing as my laptop might be a little TOO new, lol.

Anyone know for sure which it is?

If it only supports Synaptics touchpads, is there any to use a Synaptics driver for my laptop? This site (https://mspoweruser.com/enable-precision-touchpad-drivers-non-precision-pc/) says you can use Precision drivers on non-precision touchpads, so I'm wondering if you can do the opposite and use Synaptics drivers on non-Synaptics touchpads. If it is possible, I need a step-by-step walkthrough of how to install the Synaptics driver... or any touchpad driver that will work! Lol.

Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: Moltke on March 11, 2022, 07:41:43 PM
I looked through the online specs guides of my laptop (https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05_Spec.pdf) and it seems like either, according to some other sites I looked at on Google, Linux Lite only supports Synaptics touchpads (I think mine is Precision, according to page 4 of the pdf I posted) or I need to just wait for Linux to make a driver for my touchpad, seeing as my laptop might be a little TOO new, lol.

Anyone know for sure which it is?

If it only supports Synaptics touchpads, is there any to use a Synaptics driver for my laptop? This site (https://mspoweruser.com/enable-precision-touchpad-drivers-non-precision-pc/) says you can use Precision drivers on non-precision touchpads, so I'm wondering if you can do the opposite and use Synaptics drivers on non-Synaptics touchpads. If it is possible, I need a step-by-step walkthrough of how to install the Synaptics driver... or any touchpad driver that will work! Lol.

Read here https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000150104/precision-xps-ubuntu-general-touchpad-mouse-issue-fix?lwp=rt Instructions are clear and the process seems fairly easy to follow. One thing, where it reads sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 change that for
Code: [Select]
sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04 since that's the current version. Also, before doing any of this, I highly recommend performing a backup; better safe, than sorry.  :55:
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 11, 2022, 11:16:44 PM
I looked through the online specs guides of my laptop (https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05/IdeaPad_3_15ITL05_Spec.pdf) and it seems like either, according to some other sites I looked at on Google, Linux Lite only supports Synaptics touchpads (I think mine is Precision, according to page 4 of the pdf I posted) or I need to just wait for Linux to make a driver for my touchpad, seeing as my laptop might be a little TOO new, lol.

Anyone know for sure which it is?

If it only supports Synaptics touchpads, is there any to use a Synaptics driver for my laptop? This site (https://mspoweruser.com/enable-precision-touchpad-drivers-non-precision-pc/) says you can use Precision drivers on non-precision touchpads, so I'm wondering if you can do the opposite and use Synaptics drivers on non-Synaptics touchpads. If it is possible, I need a step-by-step walkthrough of how to install the Synaptics driver... or any touchpad driver that will work! Lol.

Read here https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000150104/precision-xps-ubuntu-general-touchpad-mouse-issue-fix?lwp=rt Instructions are clear and the process seems fairly easy to follow. One thing, where it reads sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 change that for
Code: [Select]
sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04 since that's the current version. Also, before doing any of this, I highly recommend performing a backup; better safe, than sorry.  :55:

This looks like a bit much for me since I'm still pretty new to Linux OS. Maybe I'll just wait until there's a new kernel. Thanks, though!
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 13, 2022, 03:21:24 AM
Ok, wow. I just found out that the touchpad manufacturer in my laptop is a Precision brand. I was going to put the original hard drive in to check, but I didn't have to after I read this article:

https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11-requires-precision-touchpads-and-thats-good-most-laptops

My Lenovo (manufactured last December) is Windows 11. So it seems that Microsoft is forcing ALL PC makers to use their Precision touchpads if they are going to use Windows 11. How authoritarian and Mac-like... and a headache for us Linux laptop users.

Given this newly-found information, I guess the next logical thing to ask is if there's a way to install a Precision touchpad driver using terminal? Remember, I'm new to Linux, so I might new someone to get me the sudo code. I'll try Googling it, but I might need someone here to provide that command prompt, if one exists, that is.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: JaymzRG on March 16, 2022, 03:00:09 PM
Thanks for all the help, guys! Using the mouse instead of touch pad was not an acceptable option, so I installed Ubuntu 20.04 instead.

Everything seems to work there except for the screen brightness -/+ F keys (F11/F12 on my laptop) still and logging out/locking/closed lid disconnects the WiFi, but both are not big deals. I hope the next Ubuntu version will fix them, though.
Title: Re: Select laptop options not showing...
Post by: Moltke on March 25, 2022, 09:55:11 AM
Thanks for all the help, guys! Using the mouse instead of touch pad was not an acceptable option, so I installed Ubuntu 20.04 instead.

Everything seems to work there except for the screen brightness -/+ F keys (F11/F12 on my laptop) still and logging out/locking/closed lid disconnects the WiFi, but both are not big deals. I hope the next Ubuntu version will fix them, though.

This might of interest to you: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.18-DRM Linux 5.18 introduces new hardware support for Intel.