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Hardware - Support => Other => Topic started by: Ean on July 21, 2023, 04:20:09 AM
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Hi, I've recently installed LL6.4 and have had a couple of problems which weren't present in 5.x. The PC is a dual core 3GHz CPU with 4Gb DDR3 RAM.
Here, the Keyboard characters @ and" are transposed, and I installed LL6.4 with a UK keyboard, Generic 105 Key, using the same keyboard and PC as with the earlier LL5.x installation. The problem persists after a reboot. There may be other wrong keys which I haven't discovered. I examined the many keyboard options available in LL, but the existing setting is by far the best apparent match. Please advise.
Many thanks, Ean.
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Try this
Click Menu
Begin typing 'settings manager' into the search bar
When you see Settings Manager offered, click it
Under Hardware, click 'Keyboard'
Select the Layout tab
Ensure 'Use system defaults' is off
Under 'Keyboard model' the Generic option should be ok
Under 'Keyboard layout'
Check your keyboard marking for shift 3.
If it is a '£' symbol, then
If English (UK) is not present, use 'Add' to put it in the list.
Once English (UK) is in the list, highlight and remove other layouts leaving just one.
Close
This may change dynamically, but reboot if it doesn't.
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Hi Stevef,
Many thanks for your fast reply. When shift 3 is pressed, I get a #. I can't turn "Use System Defaults" off; on clicking this nothing happens. English UK is the sole option shown under keyboard layout.
Ean.
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What is reported if you open a terminal and enter the following command ?
setxkbmap -query
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Hi Stevef,
The following comes back from setxkbmap -query:
rules: evdev
model: pc105
layout: us
LL settings tells me I have a UK keyboard (I've rechecked this), terminal (and the wrong key settings) indicate a US keyboard! It amazes me how people learn all these Terminal commands, etc. Expertise, I guess. I only use a few.
ean
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There are some quirks in xfce desktop. It can get confused if you change using the GUI and end up out of step.
Having one layout set by the GUI usually works, but something is awry here.
Try using the command
setxkbmap gb
Then check again.
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Nothing happens when using the command.
In the meantime I installed Mint xfce alongside LL to see if there's anything odd in my PC or brain. There is no keyboard issue here (nor the Firefox issues I'm having as well with LL6.4-a separate topic).
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Not sure what is going on then. Just checked on a LL 6.4 system with a UK keyboard and UK mapping.
First showing the current mapping, then switching to to us mapping, repeat show the mapping and test with shift3.
Then revert to gb mapping and show and test again.
stevef>setxkbmap -query
rules: evdev
model: pc105
layout: gb
stevef>
stevef>setxkbmap us
stevef> setxkbmap -query
rules: evdev
model: pc105
layout: us
stevef>###
stevef>setxkbmap gb
stevef>£££
£££: command not found
stephen>setxkbmap -query
rules: evdev
model: pc105
layout: gb
stevef>
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Many thanks for your time on this. Would you recommend a re-install? If so, is there anything I have to watch for when reinstalling on top of the old LL6.4 with Mint installed on the same PC? (I want to keep Mint, for the time being).
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Would you recommend a re-install?
Not yet.
Let's go back to the GUI for a moment.
I can't turn "Use System Defaults" off
What exactly do you mean here ?
On my desktop, 'Use System Defaults' set to ON means the slider is to the right (with a blue background) and the options to change anything are greyed out. To turn it off, I click the slider to the left, the blue goes to grey and the options are enabled.
Can you confirm your settings GUI is stuck with Use System Defaults being ON
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I've done Settings Manager> Keyboard Icon> Layout, and there is no slider or selectable options on this page. Clicking any of the headings does nothing.
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I've done Settings Manager> Keyboard Icon> Layout, and there is no slider or selectable options on this page. Clicking any of the headings does nothing.
Just below where you select the tabs when viewing the 'Layout' tab, there should be the words 'Use System Defaults' on the upper left side and level with that over on the right there should be an an on/off slider switch type selector.
Do you not have this at all ?
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There are the words "Use System Defaults" but no slider.
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That's odd. We're looking for a pictogram of an on/off type slider switch over on the right, level with the 'Use System Defaults' text. As you don't have that pictogram, go back to 'Settings Manager' and under the 'other' section at the bottom click 'Settings Editor'
On the resulting screen, highlight the 'keyboard-layout' line
In the line 'Default' is there a tick in the locked box ?
If necessary, expand the 'Default' entry by clicking on the triangle.
Look for the property 'XkbDisable' (Type boolean).
Is the Value box is ticked or not.
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The property 'XkbDisable' (Type boolean). Value box is not ticked; has GB above it. The locked value box is also unticked.
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Just to be 100% clear, the settings layout screen should look something like this.
The mouse pointer in the image is indicating the position of the 'Use Default Settings' on/off slider.
With the pictogram switch set to the left, it is possible to make changes.
(https://i.imgur.com/aVdt31i.png)
If I've understood correctly, you don't see the on/off slider pictogram at all.
Your system operates as if 'Use System Defaults' is set to ON and enforcing the US keyboard layout.
Even with 'Use System Defaults' ON, it should be possible to set the keyboard layout to 'gb' temporarily (for duration of the session) to 'gb' from the CLI. I think I asked you to check this but please can you run these commands and post back.
setxkbmap -querysetxkbmap gbsetxkbmap -query
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The ON/OFF slider is not present. I've done this before, but a useful double check.
setxkbmap -query
rules: evdev
model: pc105
layout: gb
setxkbmap gb No response-goes back to the cursor.
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I could only speculate why your Settings screen is locked and missing the on/off pictogram. Do you remember if it ever looked correct and worked ? For example, in your first post you mentioned looking at the many keyboard options available. Was this using the Setting screen ?
No explicit response expected from the CLI to the set command, but if the 'before' query had shown the map to be 'us', then the set command should have set it to 'gb' which would have been shown in the 'after' query and hopefully corrected the keyboard mapping for the session.
One more place to check. Please post back with the result of
cat /etc/default/keyboard
From what you've posted so far I'd expect this will show the layout to be 'gb' as well but worth a check.
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The keyboard problem was there right from the start. I can't remember where I found the many keyboard options available.
I've just realised I'm on a Windows machine; I'll do the Terminal command tomorrow morning.
Just to let you know, I'll be going away tomorrow around midday for about a week and will have no Internet access.
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cat /etc/default/keyboard
# KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE
# Consult the keyboard(5) manual page.
XKBMODEL="pc105"
XKBLAYOUT="gb"
XKBVARIANT=""
XKBOPTIONS=""
BACKSPACE="guess"
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I'm out of ideas as to why your system is fixed on using what is probably a us keyboard layout.
All the locations I can think of where the keyboard layout is noted point at a gb layout. Clearly I am missing something.
The absence of the pictogram on the GUI settings screen is one possible avenue to explore, but beyond my scope.
If you have snapshots made using 'System Restore Utility' (aka timeshift) you could try rolling back, but it maybe time to re-install.
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Many thanks for all the time you've spent on this. I've not got a System Restore as the problem started right from the beginning. I'll try a re-install, and see if the issues I'm having with Firefox will disappear as well.
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Hallo! Ich habe LL6.4 mehrfach neu installiert. Bei der Installation ist Chrome als Browser dabei, den hatte ich auch in Windows. Der funktioniert, Firefox ist möglicherweise ein "Snap" der Probleme bereitet. Viel Erfolg ! K.H.