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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2020, 06:36:50 PM »
 

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I created root access in my KDE LL build. Took a few hours of research to get a reliable, working fix.
This is the way it would be implemented for Dolphin & Kwrite:

.desktops: (may have to create folders)
~/.local/share/kservicess5/ServiceMenus/

polkits:
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions

Create a polkit file for Dolphin:

com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin.policy

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE policyconfig PUBLIC
  "-//freedesktop//DTD PolicyKit Policy Configuration 1.0//EN"
  "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/PolicyKit/1/policyconfig.dtd">
<policyconfig>
 
  <vendor>Linux Lite</vendor>
  <vendor_url>https://linuxliteos.com/</vendor_url>
 
  <action id="com.ubuntu.pkexec.dolphin">
    <message>Authentication is required to run Dolphin</message>
    <icon_name>window-close</icon_name>
    <defaults>
      <allow_any>auth_admin</allow_any>
      <allow_inactive>auth_admin</allow_inactive>
      <allow_active>auth_admin</allow_active>
    </defaults>
    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.path">/usr/bin/dolphin</annotate>
    <annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.allow_gui">true</annotate>
  </action>

</policyconfig>

.desktop for Dolphin:

dolphin-root.desktop

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[Desktop Action root]
Exec=pkexec dolphin
Icon=window-close
Name=Open as Admin

[Desktop Entry]
Actions=root
Icon=window-close
MimeType=inode/directory
ServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin
Type=Service
X-KDE-Priority=TopLevel
X-KDE-StartupNotify=false

For Kwrite, rinse and repeat, just change where obvious.
 


Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2020, 07:41:11 PM »
 

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What system is your KDE on?
 

Debian Buster. I created a Live USB with rufus which now has the option to create Live USBs with persistent mode in a very easy way, yes, easier than mkusb ( I really wish it was ported to Linux but the depv has already said he won't :(  ) I did that since I'm running it in a laptop with no HDD.  I installed KDE and who knows, maybe that's why it doesn't work. 

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Very nice! :) but I don't think it'll work for me here.
 
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #122 on: January 23, 2020, 10:36:46 AM »
 

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Well my years away from Kubuntu have left me a little rusty, but after running it for a couple days I have some comments.

On the positive side:
1) It is by far the most Windows 10 like Linux distribution I have yet to encounter, in both appearance and function.
2) The desktop is stunning.
3) Konsole, Dolphin, Kate & Discover have wonderful options and functionality. Update is the best I've seen anywhere.

On the negative side:
1) Kubuntu is definitely not a beginner OS, mainly because of too many powerful features. The vast majority of Windows users don't know how to use Windows properly, and they might find Kubuntu's DE just as dizzying as Windows 10 even though it would be familiar. i/e Most Windows users hated Windows 10 over Windows 7 even though 10 was considerably superior in the guts.
2) The help manual alone would require a massive effort to bring up to Linux Lite standards.

My expectations Jerry:
1) The known special qualities of Linux Lite, the way you work, the philosophy of designing a simple fast free system that Windows users can be comfortable with and learn quickly would all come into play with a KDE version of LL. Your effort would make or break the thing. Too many features, too many functions, too complicated of a DE might not match the established LL cachet. I'm sure you would put your spin on KDE Linux Lite, and as far as the future goes KDE will probably prove to be the best choice, and in my opinion it is the most Windows like, but it is your effort and philosophy that puts the mark on Linux Lite and this community, and it is certain that change will always be met with hostility from some quarter deserved or not. Selfishly, I hope you undertake the project, because I think Linux Lite has something to offer KDE, rather than the other way around, something elegantly simple, and something very stable, usable, and above all...  "learnable". (I know it's not a word but it should be these days)

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #123 on: January 23, 2020, 09:03:09 PM »
 

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@trinidad thanks, I appreciate your write-up. I saw a comment on a LL Youtube video today, "If Jerry does make a KDE spin he should calling Linux Lead" So there will be for a long time, the perception that KDE is heavy. It's a good thing we're not rushing into this. In some preliminary tests, this new Series 5.x XFCE is a lot heavier than in the past, and I mean noticeably. I can't get it to settle below 530mb fresh boot to the Desktop. Worrying.
 

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« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2020, 09:05:27 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2020, 09:40:18 AM »
 

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@Jerry The RAM numbers are rising on DEs across the board, but modern hardware is getting bigger too. 4G is the new minimum on old hardware in general. I did notice that loading Kubuntu plasma hit my CPU a lot harder than loading LL, but that could just be the kernel difference. Both RAM use settled in around 400m after loading. My gnome desktops settle pretty close to 1G so 500M is not too bad.

@Moltke Debian 10 does not allow Xauthority and DISPLAY to be passed to a child. I may have given you the wrong backend prefix. (I didn't know you were on Deb 10). Prefix your sudo command with GDK_BACKEND=x11 and maybe you'll have to prefix that with DISPLAY=:0 I don't install sudo on my Deb systems so I'm not sure this will work, but I can just run a root terminal and backend prefix nautilus and get nautilus in root on X. Same with synaptic and any application that requires Xauthority, though I never use it anymore except with SSH.

@TheDead That's how I look getting in and out of my girlfriends Honda.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2020, 12:39:38 PM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2020, 06:23:20 AM »
 

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How has that happened?  KDE on par with Xfce?!  Not long ago I would have thought it impossible.
The main difference is that KDE has a massive, almost inexhaustible supply of developers, where as XFCE have just a handful. I really like KDE and how close it is to Windows and the level of configuration available. Plasma is really nice too.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2020, 01:56:35 PM »
 

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Isn't KDE & Plasma one? It's KDE Plasma right? Or are they 2 seperate DE? I'm confused! https://kde.org/plasma-desktop

KDE is a community of people who make software including the plasma desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5 (do check the external links, there a few very interesting ones ) which many people refer to as KDE and that's because in the early days it was simply called the KDE desktop where KDE used to stand for Kool Desktop Evironment https://kde.org/announcements/beta1announce.php but that's not the case anymore and the "official" name is plasma desktop, developed by the KDE community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2020, 10:35:56 AM »
 

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Isn't KDE & Plasma one? It's KDE Plasma right? Or are they 2 seperate DE? I'm confused! https://kde.org/plasma-desktop

KDE is a community of people who make software including the plasma desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_Plasma_5 (do check the external links, there a few very interesting ones ) which many people refer to as KDE and that's because in the early days it was simply called the KDE desktop where KDE used to stand for Kool Desktop Evironment https://kde.org/announcements/beta1announce.php but that's not the case anymore and the "official" name is plasma desktop, developed by the KDE community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1

If that's the case then why does Jerry say "I really like KDE" & "Plasma is really nice too." as if they are two seperate Desktop Environment. Tell us Jerry!
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #130 on: January 27, 2020, 02:04:28 AM »
 

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You have to know the history of KDE to understand that phrasing. Google is your friend :)
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2020, 03:04:02 AM »
 

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You have to know the history of KDE to understand that phrasing. Google is your friend :)

O Great Sir! Would thy be kind enough to share the secret? Would save me some time!  :P
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2020, 03:53:17 AM »
 

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You want me to go over the entire history of KDE for you?

 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2020, 08:31:14 AM »
 

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You want me to go over the entire history of KDE for you?



Entire history isn't needed O Great Sir! A short summary will suffice. I thanketh thou.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2020, 10:13:45 AM »
 

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Well, I don't think you can find a nicer KDE timeline than this :
https://timeline.kde.org/
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Edit : Typos... again... *sob*.
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