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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2019, 12:36:17 PM »
 

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One of the reasons a lot of us prefer Xfce is because of it's "slow" development. 

I don't prefer Xfce because of it's slow development.  I prefer Linux Lite and it happened to be using Xfce.  The people I've helped move to Linux via Linux Lite don't give a hoot, either.  They just want something that works, is fast, and looks good ...


My thoughts entirely torreydale - very well done for articulating this so well
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2019, 01:19:36 PM »
 

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One of the reasons a lot of us prefer Xfce is because of it's "slow" development. 

I don't prefer Xfce because of its slow development.  I prefer Linux Lite and it happened to be using Xfce.  The people I've helped move to Linux via Linux Lite don't give a hoot, either.  They just want something that works, is fast, and looks good.  I think we need to trust the founder of Linux Lite on any changes keeping in step with the distro being friendly to the new Linux convert.  He's already stated in this thread that if KDE is used in the future, it will be part of an LTS (Long Term Support) build. 

I personally think Linux Lite has done a fantastic job with Xfce, and it looks great.  But it still looks closer to Windows XP or Windows 2000 than Windows 10.  And for some newbies, that's a step back.  To have a modern look, more functionality, and still be lighter weight than even Xfce...it would be foolish to ignore the possibilities, and that is what Jerry is investigating.

Take a chill pill and let him do his thing.

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2019, 01:23:31 PM »
 

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You know my opinion in this matter. You did not 'earn' Plasma, @Jerry. Infact, definitive majority of distros did not. That is why this entire situation is such a pitfall.

Yes, I do not give a hoot, but this is a double-edged sword.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2019, 06:27:51 PM »
 

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I agree, for it's purpose, Jerry has done an awesome job and will continue to do so no matter which desktop LL uses.

I'm one of those (rare?) users who doesn't want a desktop that looks or behaves in any way like Windows.  I want mine as different from Windows as it can possibly get.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2019, 01:55:31 AM »
 

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I want mine as different from Windows as it can possibly get.
You have GNOME. By the way, watch out what you wish for. Windows is not stupid, infact, it is not stupid at all.

@Jerry, I do not know you personally perhaps even at all, but it appears to me you have gone 'insane' over KDE and Plasma, literally overnight. It is a very disturbing observation. I would ask you to reevaluate your posts in this thread and compare them versus your common earlier demeanor on this forum. Sudden changes rarely lead up to serene ends.

I see how you have become slightly obsessed with modern KDE and it appears to me that embracing of KDE desktop environment by the Linux Lite, is inevitable, only a matter of time. I may not even be as much against the very KDE, but I may be against the 'madness' of how the ongoing change occurs. The sudden switch of KDE Plasma to an ultra-fast beyond-XFCE lightweight desktop environment, from the polar opposite point of spectrum it had inhabited literally a while ago, is unhealthy just by itself.

I do not think Linux Lite is going to be a 'spiritually' clear place for the time approaching, which is why I consider myself moving to something else, with more 'sane' background, if I may use the metaphor.
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #80 on: December 31, 2019, 02:14:03 AM »
 

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The original aims of LL were:
- an easy-to-use Linux OS, especially for those migrating from Microsoft Windows, and also for those new to Linux generally
- lite (lightweight), fast & free

Of course the name Linux Lite, in itself, conveys lightness and speed. So far LL has adhered to the above aims, though I've found that the LL4 series is beginning to lose its hold on 'lite-ness' & speed for older hardware. I see two main reasons for this:

1. LL being built on an Ubuntu base, where 32-bit versions have now been discontinued - Debian 10 (and probably Deb11) will continue to use 32bit
2. Use of XFCE, instead of the significantly lighter LXDE 

I'm sure Jerry, you have good reasons for neither using a Debian base, nor LXDE, but I thought I'd just throw my own thoughts into the melting-pot ...


Last Edit: December 31, 2019, 02:57:28 AM by m654321
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #81 on: December 31, 2019, 02:27:54 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #82 on: December 31, 2019, 02:37:12 AM »
 

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While I can personally see why you would use XFCE over LXDE or Ubuntu over Debian, with both the necessary benefits and side effects these choices introduce, I would like conclude the danger, primarily dwells in desire.

What do you desire to achieve with your OS right now?
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #83 on: December 31, 2019, 02:45:11 AM »
 

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@MS ,


Take 2 chill pills.  One's not enough for you.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #84 on: December 31, 2019, 02:46:53 AM »
 

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@MS ,


Take 2 chill pills.  One's not enough for you.
Yes, forgive me for being negative in this place, Jerry is fully right to vindicate me for that, somehow, sometime.

EDIT:

For the 'chill pill', I heard L-theanine is a pretty good popular fix, even though I have never tried it in a purified pharmaceutical form, albeit people drinking a lot of tea, particularly the green tea, may be familiar with the effect it brings.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2019, 02:48:01 AM »
 

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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #86 on: December 31, 2019, 02:52:42 AM »
 

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Well then, apparently it is natural evolution of the state of things. Wish it was less catastrophic-like in terms of impact and more organic, if to make such biological comparison. Either how, I am certain Linux Lite is going to remain a unique OS.
 

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« Reply #87 on: December 31, 2019, 03:45:58 AM »
 

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I go with torreydale on this one. I want a OS that works and i dont play around with it and make huge changes. I just use it out of the box.
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Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #88 on: December 31, 2019, 05:57:20 AM »
 

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I go with torreydale on this one. I want a OS that works and i dont play around with it and make huge changes. I just use it out of the box.

Exactly. Most of us on this forum like LL as we want something that just works, easy-to-use, pure & simple without having to "fiddle around".
Referring back to my comments on reply #80: Debian is a bit more complicated than Ubuntu; LXDE not as easily configurable as XFCE - too much fiddling around with Debian & LXDE !
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2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel T3200@2.0GHz - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel T7100@1.8GHz - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

Re: XFCE vs KDE
« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2019, 08:35:06 AM »
 

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I go with torreydale on this one. I want a OS that works and i dont play around with it and make huge changes. I just use it out of the box.

Exactly. Most of us on this forum like LL as we want something that just works, easy-to-use, pure & simple without having to "fiddle around".

I think whichever DE LL uses it's going to behave just as good as it does with XFCE; ready to be used out of the box. After all, is not the DE but the design of the OS which makes it work the way it does. I tried quite a few different xfce-distros and not all of them are as polished and light as LL.

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Referring back to my comments on reply #80: Debian is a bit more complicated than Ubuntu; LXDE not as easily configurable as XFCE - too much fiddling around with Debian & LXDE !
LL is like that by design; foolproof! You can't fiddle around it or else you could breake it, trust me, I have lol. I find LXDE to be not as customizable nor as functional as XFCE is.
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