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Translate Linux Lite
« on: November 11, 2020, 01:06:18 AM »
 

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I would like to translate Linux Lite from English to Danish. I found this page
https://www.transifex.com/linux-lite-lite-tweaks/linux-lite/

But the only language there is "Project language German"
 
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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2020, 03:20:48 AM »
 

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Translation is a huge undertaking. Once we're in a position to hire someone to manage it full time, then we'll commit to it. At the moment, because of the nearly 43% of people that ad block us, there's not enough in the pot each month for me yet to claim a wage. I still have to work 2 other jobs to make ends meet. Thank you for your offer, watch this space.

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2020, 05:54:42 AM »
 

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Translation is a huge undertaking. Once we're in a position to hire someone to manage it full time, then we'll commit to it. At the moment, because of the nearly 43% of people that ad block us, there's not enough in the pot each month for me yet to claim a wage. Thank you for your offer, watch this space.
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Thanks for your answer, I also asked four years ago.  ;)

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 07:51:51 AM »
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 09:07:21 AM »
 

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2020, 12:36:35 PM »
 

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Hello Snubbi

Jerry and me tested the translation. In german and we have seen, that it is not only translating at a lot of points the translater have to understand the context and for that some communications  are needed that it works well and if we only translate the main languages then it is a big work as Jerry explained.

IOne Option if somebody like to make a translation could be to translate the LL tutorial because there the context is mich more clear and it is also very helpfull.

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2020, 12:48:17 PM »
 

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Hello All

If there is an easy way to provide the translation of the tutorial (libre weiter)
So that it could be implemented easy, then I will do the german translation.

If somebody also like to help with other languages then let us know.

I m sure it will be helpfull for new LL users

Thanks and Greetings

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2020, 01:24:23 PM »
 

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Jerry and me tested the translation. In german and we have seen, that it is not only translating at a lot of points the translater have to understand the context and for that some communications  are needed that it works well and if we only translate the main languages then it is a big work as Jerry explained.
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I started with the translation of Lite Tweaks to Dansih,
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One Option if somebody like to make a translation could be to translate the LL tutorial because there the context is mich more clear and it is also very helpfull.
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That's a really good idea
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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2020, 01:33:24 AM »
 

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I've submitted our website to Acceptable Ads. They basically work with Ad Block to create a whitelist of sites that have unobtrusive ads so that they can still get ad revenue from people that ad block. I hope we get accepted.

That's some really good news!

I hope it too.

IOne Option if somebody like to make a translation could be to translate the LL tutorial because there the context is mich more clear and it is also very helpfull.

I would like a lot to help with this, so, if anybody can send me some kind of instructions I would like a lot to invest some time to native translating LL to spanish.
I'd like starting with little things like 'Lite Welcome' (guess this is the LL tutorial @Nanayaw is talking about: Welcome to Linux Lite),  LL software (Lite Upgrade, Lite Info, Lite Sources, etc.), and then with forums navigation (I'd like to know if it's possible, I'm not a coder but I can make the entire translation of forums navigation with help of someone to code a native translation button); maybe @Jerry or @Moltke can say something at this respect.

Also, I'm a hispanic philologist and text corrector (in spanish, of course, my english is not so good), so I can try to create a little team to help with translations and dedicate myself to the reviews and corrections. Of course, all of this gratis et amore (free and with love), I'm not trying to get money of this.

So, if anybody would like to join me with spanish translations, I'll be reading PMs.
 

Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2020, 02:01:05 AM »
 

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I've submitted our website to Acceptable Ads. They basically work with Ad Block to create a whitelist of sites that have unobtrusive ads so that they can still get ad revenue from people that ad block. I hope we get accepted.

Also I was wondering if it is possible to create a Brave rewards creators profile, so Brave users (in the case they don't want to disable them Brave ad block) can see it's ads and passive contribute this way.

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2020, 11:13:04 AM »
 

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Hello Zaov

Geat that you also want to help to translate the tutorial.
With Spain language a lot of countries will covered.

If somebody could provide French, Portugies or other languages speaken from a lot of people,
then a wide range of the world could be covered.

 ;D

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2020, 12:30:22 PM »
 

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I would like a lot to help with this, so, if anybody can send me some kind of instructions I would like a lot to invest some time to native translating LL to spanish.
I'd like starting with little things like 'Lite Welcome' (guess this is the LL tutorial @Nanayaw is talking about: Welcome to Linux Lite),  LL software (Lite Upgrade, Lite Info, Lite Sources, etc.), and then with forums navigation (I'd like to know if it's possible, I'm not a coder but I can make the entire translation of forums navigation with help of someone to code a native translation button); maybe @Jerry or @Moltke can say something at this respect.

@zaov some time ago I started translating the help manual into Spanish https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/languages-allowed-for-use-in-the-forum/msg35988/#msg35988 but I soon realized it wasn't only translating words but images as well; perform every action as explained in the help manual in the target language, Spanish in our case, take screenshots and insert them in the translation too. This is a lot of work and I just didn't have the time nor the experience to do so at the moment, since you're now offering yourself maybe we could join forces, we could set up a github repo to keep track of our work. :)

By the way, I also posted a tutorial in the Spanish section on how to browse/read the help manual and/or the forum in Spanish but it can be done for any other language as well here https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/spanish/navegar-el-foro-y-el-manual-en-espanol/msg52370/#msg52370
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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2020, 05:49:40 PM »
 

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(2 replies posted while typing this... yeah I didn't think about Screenshots... arggg. Not doing screenshots except when critically needed WOULD accelerate translations a lot...)


It's been years since I programmed anything (excepts scripts).I could be completely out of touch and I didn't look on how translations work, but taking from the PhantomPDF (foxit) language pack settings as example ;
They only support english by default. But when you go in languages setting, you can download a Language Pack which is clearly labelled as "Provided by the community".
Point is, you could have a system language for the OS via Ubuntu, and another for the Linux Lite apps and modules, independently, maybe (aka the Lite Language Chooser Downloader Thingy app)?
Thus, making a single language "module" for all Linux Lite Apps.
+ You could also mention the general translation completion in percentages.

Biggest issue still remains the Help Manual though, theres a gazillion helpful procedures in there and a lot that need a pro/technical person to translate, not to mention some commands could be language related.
A language "pack" for that could be quite difficult to implement.

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Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2020, 07:18:06 PM »
 

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If somebody could provide French, Portugies or other languages speaken from a lot of people,
then a wide range of the world could be covered.

Nanayaw

@Nanayaw Exactly, need some more people to start creating a "Translation team", so we can help each other to implement and improve the translations.

I soon realized it wasn't only translating words but images as well; perform every action as explained in the help manual in the target language, Spanish in our case, take screenshots and insert them in the translation too. This is a lot of work and I just didn't have the time nor the experience to do so at the moment, since you're now offering yourself maybe we could join forces, we could set up a github repo to keep track of our work. :)

That is true, we first need to list all of the things needed to do in order to translate everything. You alredy have an starting point, so we can start with that. Let's join forces! Let's set up the github repo and start working with that.

Now that you are suggesting the repo, it can host not only the spanish work but every translating work with branches (I'm not really sure if it's the way how it works;do you know how commits work in github? So, every language branch have a commiter).


Finally, @TheDead have some points:

The screenshots thing, I think, is necessary. Maybe we can have one person to specifictly do it (in all of the submited translations), that person doesn't even have to understand all of the languages, only take the screenshots when the translations are ended.

I don't really know how it works to use two language systems (Ubuntu and LL native translations), that's something that a coder needs to answer.

The translation completion percentages is a really great idea.

The biggest issue, as you said, is the pro/technical person to translate, but we can think about that once the "small things (tutorial, LL apps, etc.)" gets done.


Also, @Moltke, your tutorial is pretty good, but it's still a Google translation and, as you wrote there, it's not a very trusty way. So we can try to make a whole native translation if we add a button or something... I don't know; things to talk.

So, let's keep talking.



 

Re: Translate Linux Lite
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2020, 01:52:34 AM »
 

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Hello All

the german and I've seen also danish language for translation of LL Tweaks are done with transiflex, I don't know if it also could be used for translation of the tutorials.
It works fine and % are there is a good tool.

I also agree that the pictures in the target language are important, but it will be a huge work. From another view if you see pictures even if there are in English at the most of them you will understand what is meaning.

The tutorial is actual in HTML format and I'm not firm with it, but let me suggest an easy way. 

1. If we generate a template with the english test and pictures >> it could be done by open the html with LibreOffice Writer (!!!Copy the Manual folder before !!!)
2. Do the translations and safe it
3. Doublecheck of transllation form another native speaker
4. Export all as PDF or each categorie seperate
5. Modify the Help Manual HTML add. language selection or detection.
6. Set link to the languages PDF categorie files >> I don't know if it will be possible otherwise the files could safed as HTML and then linked.

See example file attached

I know it is not the best way but it did not need so much work on programmer side.

The best will be if Jerry share his mind about all the cases we disscussd, so that we move in the right direction from the beginning.

Greetings

Nanayaw
 


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