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Title: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on October 26, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Amazingly gdebi listed all dependencies as satisfied for the new MS Edge browser for Linux. I've begun testing it now, and so far so good though I've never been a Chromium fan some of the old glitches seem to have been cleaned up other than the annoying keyring stuff. And yipee darn skipee I can purchase the source code for $5 American. It does have the nifty family safety feature for tracking your kids web browsing. Give it a star for that one. Also predictably it has the Chromecast extension available. The settings and tools are adequate and with a big screen the dev tools are okay too. Not too bad for a first round I guess.


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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Jerry on October 26, 2020, 07:41:39 PM
I was going to sneak it into Lite Software with a disclaimer (dev quality) but will wait until there's a version that is fully usable.
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Moltke on October 26, 2020, 10:01:27 PM
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It does have the nifty family safety feature for tracking your kids web browsing. Give it a star for that one.
Chrome does this too. Did you read this:

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2. MICROSOFT EDGE FOR NON-WINDOWS DEVICES
IF YOU LIVE IN (OR, IF YOU ARE A COMPANY WHOSE PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS IS IN) THE UNITED STATES, READ THE "BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER" CLAUSE IN SECTION 2.14 BELOW. AFFECTS THE RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES.

Has some very "interesting" stuff

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2.3. Previews. Microsoft may make available preview, insider, beta or other preview versions of the Software ("Previews"). You may use the Previews only until the expiration date of the Software (if any) and provided that you comply with all applicable license terms. Previews are experimental, which means they may not work properly and may be substantially different from the version released commercially. In some cases, Previews may inadvertently damage your device and render it unusable, or cause occasional crashes, data loss, or cause applications to stop working or be deleted. To recover, you may need to reinstall the applications, the operating system, or you may need to turn your device back on. In some cases, you may not be able to return to the previous version of the Software. Previews may contain more errors or inaccuracies, so you should back up your device before installing any Previews.

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2.7. Data collection. The Software may collect information about you and your use of the Software and send such information to Microsoft. By entering into this agreement and using the Software, you agree that Microsoft may collect, use and disclose the information as described in Microsoft's Privacy Statement available at https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=521839, and as may be described in the user interface associated with the features of the Software.

You may say "it's only for the preview" but you know that's not true; they'll keep on doing it! So ... I don't know but I don't feel like trying/using this now or in any forseeable future, I rather use chrome since we're already "googled" anyway and don't see any reason to be "MSed" too. I use chromium and am really used to it; custom search engines, lots of them and as far as I've tried no other browser offers the same, at least not in the same/easy way chromium does.   
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on October 27, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
@Moltke  Yes binding arbitration disclaimer clauses are common practice in corporate America these days. The way it installs in Linux it is unlikely to damage any Linux system even with updates. The application folder is entirely removable (ala Mozilla on Debian) with no need to run any uninstall code. I would only foresee issues like Chromium has had in the past, like keeping up with Ubuntu updates and releases. As I use it I will track the telemetry and with MS it's hard to say what information will be sent out. So far it has proven to be very fast on Linux Lite 5.0 for me. Not a fan of the application icon with the word DEV typed across it though. Kinda ugly on my pretty LL desktop.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on October 28, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
I understand Teams/Skype could be needed, but Edge?
Maybe for web developpement purposes, but if for web site testing, they are sites for that.Is it that much faster then Chromium or Google Chrome?
You said you can buy the source (officially released?), but surely it is not Opened sourced. 0.o

Also, do the agreement fine prints mention what "informations" are gathered / can it be verified when looking at the source ?Sometine these mention they share with third parties... hope this is not the case.

With identity theft and your more personnal informations being online now, I try to stay away from "cloud" services / sharing when possible.
I had major issues on this with a Facebook app recently, it using informations it did not asked access to + settings says should not have that access anyways. Gumble grumble!

Extra MS bonus:Just looking at the O&O ShutUp10 app for Win10, it's really scary how many doors are opened by default.*shivers* now I need my soft baby blanket... and my mom. ;)
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on October 28, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
Some benchmarks in the link below. The most interesting one is html5 numbers. Also signing into to an MS account when it becomes available could be useful in many ways for business and accounting apps and more of a positive for desktop Linux than a negative. At business seminars I used to describe using MS products as keeping and caring for a pet rattlesnake -- keep the user desktop at a distance when you feed it anything and use a long pole (a Linux server).

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-edge-browser-on-linux-surprisingly-good/

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on October 28, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
Yeah...
Read some parts of the agreement... Some products "need" personnal informations to work... or you can choose not to use them.
+ they can "share" informations with affiliates, subsidiaries, security agencies, aliens from the moon and the talking muffins people. All to "protect" their products,  people all of mankind.
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on October 28, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
The biggest annoyance in any business setting with users on MS products has always been cross platform integration. Any improvement there amounts to a concession by MS. Resolving AD access in a simpler way, and being able to log into an MS account are good improvements for Linux desktop and risky for MS and their domination of the business desktop user market. I honestly expect them to bail on their single PC user desktop within the next ten years. It's dated, generally disastrously archaic, and too convoluted and inflexible to continue to be competitive. They cannot legally go IBM Unix (older court case) so expect them to go Linux either Redhat or Ubuntu as the anarchists at Debian would all quit.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Jerry on October 28, 2020, 12:10:19 PM
The biggest annoyance in any business setting with users on MS products has always been cross platform integration. Any improvement there amounts to a concession by MS. Resolving AD access in a simpler way, and being able to log into an MS account are good improvements for Linux desktop and risky for MS and their domination of the business desktop user market. I honestly expect them to bail on their single PC user desktop within the next ten years. It's dated, generally disastrously archaic, and too convoluted and inflexible to continue to be competitive. They cannot legally go IBM Unix (older court case) so expect them to go Linux either Redhat or Ubuntu as the anarchists at Debian would all quit.

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100% agree with all here. Look out for MS Linux in the future. They will buy Redhat or Ubuntu in a massive deal.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Moltke on October 28, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
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They cannot legally go IBM Unix (older court case) so expect them to go Linux either Redhat or Ubuntu as the anarchists at Debian would all quit.

Yeah I agree. By the way, MS just closed youtube-dl github repository because of a DMCA. https://itsfoss.com/youtube-dl-github-takedown/

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Microsoft owned GitHub complied immediately and within 24 hours, the official youtube-dl and its forked repository were disabled as DMCA takedown.

Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on October 28, 2020, 06:46:40 PM
If you would like to see a few preview images of MS Edge running on Linux Lite 5.x click the link below.

https://www.dbts-analytics.com/edgprvll5.html

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on October 28, 2020, 08:50:17 PM
On a related note :

"Fake news! Those pics are clearly photoshopped, it's part or the corporate conspiracy"... someone with bad hair and bad mouth would say!

People concerned, go and vote! Say no to bad hair! ;)
( Wooo! 808 posts! )
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on November 03, 2020, 12:21:10 PM
Microsoft account login works fine now from Linux Lite and the Edge.

https://www.dbts-analytics.com/harbinger.html

@TheDead  I fear the end is near. Still I keep the faith.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Jerry on November 03, 2020, 12:28:54 PM
Windbuntu :)

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on November 05, 2020, 08:36:41 AM
Winux?
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: acrome77 on November 05, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
Wasn't it the reason Linux came into being to get away from Microsoft? MS Edge would have to be the most unreliable and unsafe browser ever, but that's from personnel experience.
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Sauri Extras on November 05, 2020, 10:38:32 PM
Call it Winux DOS... xD
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on November 09, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
Well so far so good. The Linux Lite 5 updater updated my MS Edge for Linux today with no issues at all along with many other system updates. Seems well integrated. Smooth fast and flawless as usual for LL.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on November 25, 2020, 07:08:50 AM
The MS Edge browser has now gone through three successful updates via the LL 5 updater. The repository seems to integrate well and function properly. Works very smoothly on Linux Lite 5.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on December 06, 2020, 06:36:21 AM
Thanks to Jerry's new code MS Edge is now integrated correctly with thunderbird and opens links from email by default. It has also now gone through its 5th successful update on Linux Lite 5.x with no issues at all.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on December 06, 2020, 07:03:17 AM
@TheDead  "I understand Teams/Skype could be needed" There is a lot of misinformation concerning these products, and a lot of spin doctoring by MS concerning Teams. In fact corporate business in general is very dissatisfied with Teams and its host of nagging convoluted integration problems with Office 365. At the root of the problem is the topology of modern networks, and the ill advised cost reduction activities that caused business infrastructures to run on virtual server space rather than bare metal, thus removing the option to separately virtualize infrastructure components. Instead of a few lines of NIX, sharing operations are replaced with volumes of JS, horribly convoluted UIs, and a vast sea of user permission problems. The modern corporate workplace is generally backwards now with the workstations on bare metal and the servers on virtual space. Almost makes the mainframe seem sensible again for corporate people.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on December 08, 2020, 08:12:18 AM
Yeah... I just meant that with all the COVID thingy, schools and other places use Skype/Teams for reunions, etc.
I didn't say I liked it, I have better things to do though than arguing with the MS drones so I just bend and move on. ;)
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on December 15, 2020, 12:50:54 PM
Well something worth noting: I'm getting generally lower memory usage numbers with Edge compared to firefox. Around 100MiB less, and that's using Edge's cluttery MS homepage. Kind of interesting. May have to do with html5 which Edge handles better.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Moltke on December 15, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
Well something worth noting: I'm getting generally lower memory usage numbers with Edge compared to firefox. Around 100MiB less, and that's using Edge's cluttery MS homepage. Kind of interesting. May have to do with html5 which Edge handles better.

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Hmmm... Now I feel tempted to try  8)
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on December 15, 2020, 03:35:48 PM
Well something worth noting: I'm getting generally lower memory usage numbers with Edge compared to firefox. Around 100MiB less, and that's using Edge's cluttery MS homepage. Kind of interesting. May have to do with html5 which Edge handles better.
It doesnt have HTML5, but Netscape 4.76 used around 40 MB total memory. And it's just a few decades old. ;)
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on December 16, 2020, 07:44:19 AM
..."HTML 5 WEB STANDARD

You'd think by 2020, every browser would comply with the HTML 5 web standard, which became a standard in 2014. Nope. You'd be wrong. This "test" isn't a benchmark. It just shows how close each browser comes to being in sync with the HTML 5 standard. A perfect score, which none got, would have been 550.

Here, Chrome and Edge tied for first with 528. Firefox scored 511."

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-edge-browser-on-linux-surprisingly-good/ (https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-edge-browser-on-linux-surprisingly-good/)

Keep up with changes here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-relnote-beta-channel
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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: TheDead on December 16, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Nice!
You can check your browser's HTML5 support here :https://html5test.com/ (https://html5test.com/)
Got 500 on Windows Firefox... weird!427 on Windows Palemoon. :-S
Gonna test my Linux build this week end.Wonder how phone browsers fair at this. *Dramatic music*
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Moltke on December 16, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
Nice!
You can check your browser's HTML5 support here :https://html5test.com/ (https://html5test.com/)
Got 500 on Windows Firefox... weird!427 on Windows Palemoon. :-S
Gonna test my Linux build this week end.Wonder how phone browsers fair at this. *Dramatic music*

I got 526 on Chromium :P
Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on December 16, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
It may be just the ads on the LL forum that threw me. Both browsers are about the same with ads enabled. The sublocade ad with the running scroll seems the heaviest so far.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: trinidad on March 21, 2021, 09:21:40 AM
I haven't posted for while about MS Edge on Linux Lite 5.x but all has been well so far up to version 91.xx. Integration and updating has continued to be smooth certainly a bit to do with Jerry's work ethic. I have never been a fan of Chrome or Chromium and I still remain disenchanted with browsers that don't easily run Desktop BASH scripts and posix function scripts from a link. Another issue I have always had with Chromium is the use of flags which are just messy code to handle messy code. If you want to do things quickly and cleanly from your Linux system Firefox is still substantially superior in flexibility and personal security. If MS is truly interested in developing a good browser for Linux desktop systems they need some Linux people who understand the superior security features of a Linux desktop and who don't think like Windows developers.

Currently MS seems clearly at war with google refusing to implement browser logins from google accounts on Chromium based Edge, and they seem to now be, or hope to become the primary developers of the Chromium code base. At the same time Mozilla Firefox is said to be struggling for funding for development, and that does not bode well for future browser implementations in Linux. Gnome's Epiphany browser which could become a good alternative is stalled again, mainly over a lack of developer time/assets.

As we go about our computing days, whether at home or at work, as Linux Lite users we should really consider what a team of developers of Jerry's qualities could do for the future Linux world. In the computing world #1 is certainly not the best, and hasn't been for a long long time... A hard lesson for the future that most people still haven't learned.

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Title: Re: MS Edge browser on LL 5
Post by: Moltke on March 23, 2021, 05:49:19 PM
If you want to do things quickly and cleanly from your Linux system Firefox is still substantially superior in flexibility and personal security.

I'm using both; FF 86.0.1 and Chromium 89.  FF has improved since last version I used it which was 70 something, however, they still haven't got rid of the "some script is slowing down firefox" or some similar wording message, which is not only annoying but FF comes unresponsive and freezes. Often times I've had to jump to a tty and kill FF from there, I've never had this problem with chromium, ever! It doesn't happen too often, fortunately, but when it does it's very annoying. Some sites I visit don't work as good as they do in chromium. MS Edge is very bloated IMO. Maybe it is just my setup and low specs pc, who knows ... fact is, chromium works like a charm for me. I also use links2 occasionally when need/want to just find text very quickly without annoying distractions, now that's a great browser; simple, very, very fast and it just works. The downside is some sites might be a challenge to navigate given it doesn't support "modern technologies"  http://links.twibright.com/