Browsers in Lite

[smhardesty]

I'm really settling in with Seamonkey. I have installed only 3 extensions - Adblock Plus, DownThemAll, and Sea Fox. I had just a bit of trouble getting Adblock Plus to install. Turns out that the current version of it doesn't work on Seamonkey ver 2.46, so I had to find a previous version of Adblock that would work. That makes no sense, but it works. I have ver 2.82 installed instead of 2.91 and it's working just fine. DownThemAll was no trouble and neither was Sea Fox. I only installed Sea Fox to make Seamonkey a little more familiar to me. It changes just enough of the interface to make me feel at home. One caveat to installing was that I now have a "Close Tab" X on each tab instead of a single X on the far right side. I had tried to find some way to do that yesterday and couldn't get it done. I had planned on doing some more research into that, but after I installed Sea Fox I had no reason to.

I did a little unscientific and crude testing of Seamonkey versus Firefox. I did this more to convince myself I really wanted to leave Firefox behind and go forward with Seamonkey being my every day browser of choice. I loaded pages in each browser that I knew took a little extra time to load. On every occasion Seamonkey beat Firefox hands down. I then decided to try running bandwidth speed tests on several different sites. This is the one thing that didn't make sense to me. The actual download and upload speed results were the same. I expected that, but the ping times were quite a bit different. That one got me. I'm not really sure why ping times in Seamonkey were quicker than in Firefox, but they were. Then I performed simple page loads while watching my resources. Seamonkey definitely won there. It wasn't as significant a difference as I thought it might be, but Seamonkey won for sure.

[smhardesty]

OK. Now to reply to bitsnpcs, TMG1961, and paul1149.

I also tried using Konqueror a long time ago. I distinctly recall not having a pleasant experience with it. I remember there were several websites that just weren't rendered correctly and several more that wouldn't load at all. It has a use, but I don't think it's as a regular, daily, primary browser.

I've never used TOR browser. I know it exists, but have never installed it at all.

SlimJet gets yet another vote from TMG1961. It seems there is a following for SlimJet on this forum if nowhere else. One I may need to try.

You're absolutely correct, paul1149. There is no way any Linux distro would ever suffer the installation problems that Windows does. I can still recall all the garbage that I'd find in the Registry on computers I was trying to fix for customers. Towards the end of my computer career I spent about 75% of my time doing nothing but fresh installs on PCs that were just ate up with everything from viruses to worms, to overly congested Registries. The average user usually had a few word docs and then a varying amount of photos on their PCs. It was a whole lot easier to just copy the things they wanted to keep onto either a CD/DVD, or drag them across my network to one of my files servers, then wipe the hard drive clean and do a nice, fresh install. The customers were overly appreciative when they got their PCs back running just like when new.

I hadn't really thought about trying the browsers while running a Live version of Lite. That's an idea I might very well try. I know everything would be a bit slower that way, but I would really only want to see the basics of the browser anyway. Yeah, that's a great idea!

[bayoubooger]

I did a Systemback since was only about 3 days old, not touching it again..Thanks

[smhardesty]

Looks like I'm about 4 or 5 replies behind. Let me take bayoubooger first. I almost didn't see your part of that post. I had to slow myself down and go over it a couple times. Finally saw your problem posted at the bottom. I believe you need to change "ndeb" to just "deb". I never caught the typo when RandmonBoy posted it. Unless you hear differently from RandomBoy or somebody else, I believe you should make that correction, then refresh your list. That should solve that problem.

I've got a glitch in my Repositories too. I haven't taken the time to try and resolve it yet. Might do that when I get done on the forum today. Mine occurred when I added a couple of Repositories so that I could install different image viewers and editors. I need to go see what I did wrong.

[paul1149]

My only hesitation in doing that is the unnerving feeling of "fouling up" or "dirtying" my Linux Lite install.

I could be wrong, but I haven't noticed anywhere near the installation fatigue in Linux that happens with Windows. Other alternatives would be to try the browsers in a VM (I think Virtual Box comes installed in LL, if not, it's in the repository), or run it from a live Linux USB stick. They won't be running as fast, though.

[bayoubooger]

OMYGOSH YES!  Seamonkey has thousands fewer lines of code than Firefox!  PLUS it has a simple, Thunderbird-like e-mail client. And yet it is faster and more nimble.  Most Firefox add-ons work in Seamonkey too.  Seamonkey is the default on other lightweight distros because of it's speed, low demand on resources, and "Firefox-like" interface.  It would be an awesome first choice for Linux Lite, and in keeping with it's philosophy.

Wanna try it?


Clicky add it to Linux Lite by adding the Ubuntuzilla repository.


Open a terminal and type

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sudo apt-key adv –recv-keys –keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C1289A29

Then add the repository:

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echo -e “ndeb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main” | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list > /dev/null

Now you can close the terminal and open Synaptic Package Manager for a nice friendly graphical way to install Seamonkey.  Refresh Synaptic, and Seamonkey should appear among the choices now.  Simply find it and click and Mark for Installation -> Apply.

did that, how do I fix this?

===========================
Install Updates Error log
===========================
Install Updates could not fetch the package cache information lists.
Go to https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/ and paste the log below into a new or existing thread for assistance.

============ Log ===========

E: Type '“ndeb' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.

[TMG1961]

I am using slimjet at the moment. Used firefox and chromium before but prefer slimjet. Installed ad blocker (disabled on LL site) and lastpass.

[bitsnpcs]

So, what's your favorite, and why?

On LL I use Firefox browser.
I have used Konqueror browser before on old Knoppix CD someone let me use before I had ever installed any Linux distro or considered doing so.
On Windows I use Firefox.
Sometimes at windows I use TOR browser, because the isp blocks too many sites for silly reasons, eg, how to convert an audio, or edit a photo, it blocks the site saying its copyright infringement, isp doesn't know if I made a song of myself singing, and there is zero info about copyrighted materials on that site, so I use TOR to read that.
Before that I would use PACS edit and Firefox to bypass isp blocks , the pacs hosted by universities students syndicated here to bypass such censorship over sites for information that are not having copyright infringing material.
Before that older windows I would just use my own proxy scans and own judged.

Add-ons on Firefox LL I use ABP - sometimes (not using on LL site), no others.
Add-ons on Firefox Windows I use ABP , and used to use other for SQL injection, not meant for that but can use it etc
TOR at windows it has the default add-ons, abp, no script, I didnt change anything on it.

Why?
Browsing on LL I use Firefox because for me it works, no issues, browsing is super fast.
1 add-on, no browser profile ever used, no browser saved passwords.

[smhardesty]

I used Opera for a spell way back when. I would say version 3.X. I don't recall either really liking or disliking it. I think I probably gave it a whirl when some Mozilla browser disappointed me in some way.

Vivaldi and SlimJet are 2 browsers that seem to have a decent following of you guys on this forum. I suppose if I'm to be completely thorough in my search for a replacement for Firefox I need to consider trying these out, at least for a while. My only hesitation in doing that is the unnerving feeling of "fouling up" or "dirtying" my Linux Lite install. I'm really pleased with everything about Lite and have my install tweaked to where I'm happy with it. I guess I could always set a restore point and backtrack after installing and uninstalling different browsers. That's a distinct possibility.

[paul1149]

I was an Opera fan since v 3.62. Switched to FF for a while when it was new and exciting, but got tired of needing extensions to do everything and switched back to Opera. When Opera self-destructed at v. 12, I found Slimjet, which is excellent. But SJ's admins aren't very engaged with the user base, and it was hard to get answers to problems. When under Linux it wouldn't play a lot of videos because of codec rights, I began to look elsewhere.

Vivaldi, headed by the guy who started the original Opera, is excellent, and getting better. Their forum is very busy and you will get an answer. Pace of development is solid. They also will have an onboard email prog as Opera once did. The two things I miss that SJ has are onboard youtube downloading and clipboard image uploading. I still use SJ as my second browser. FF is off the machine. When I need a non-Blink browser for testing I use lightweight Epiphany.

Here's a good article on a few of the useful features of Vivaldi: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-the-best-browser-for-journalists/

[smhardesty]

gold_finger,

No, I somehow managed to not find that poll or thread. Very interesting, not only the poll, but more importantly the comments from many users that agree Firefox has become bloated. It seems there are nearly as many solutions as there are of us.

I have never tried Vivaldi so I can't comment one way or the other on it. I have used Seamonkey and know that it is very similar to Firefox in many ways. That may have been the primary reason I went ahead and installed it.

I'm fairly certain I'm finished with Firefox and I know I need a solid replacement for it, and since I have also been using Thunderbird I guess it just makes sense to me to replace both at the same time. With Seamonkey offering both I've always felt very comfortable using it.

In the past, I stopped using Seamonkey several times because I was unable to get some extension installed. Since I've stopped using nearly all my usual addons and extensions I don't see a reason developing that would cause me to steer away from Seamonkey, unless development stopped on the project.

I may be tempted to try one or more of the alternative browsers along with Seamonkey. Nothing wrong with more than one browser, and I might stumble across something I like really well.

[gold_finger]

@ smhardesty,


Don't know if you already stumbled on this, but here's a link to thread started by Jerry last year about a browser poll conducted by DistroWatch:  https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/on-topic/preferred-web-browser-distrowatch-poll/.


Since time of that thread I've been using Vivaldi as main, full-featured browser on all computers.  I use it with uBlock Origin and uMatrix addons to block ads and all unwanted content/connections.  (Used to use Firefox and/or PaleMoon with Adblock Plus, NoScript and a couple of other addons.)  Vivaldi is faster, very customizable and I like the interface better.  All of my computers also have Firefox, Qupzilla and Dillo on them as well (and Slimjet on some of them), mainly for occasional use on sites I temporarily want access to without blocking elements that I have set-up in Vivaldi.

[smhardesty]

Hah! RandomBoy, you snuck your comment in JUST before I posted. Yep. That's just exactly what I did. I probably should have posted how I did that, but since you have everybody can follow your directions to install Seamonkey in an easier way. Kudos, my friend. Well played!

[Edit] If Seamonkey has that many fewer lines of code, I might have to second that motion of using Seamonkey as the default browser and mail client in Lite. And you get the WYSIWYG editor as a bonus for anyone wanting to do a little website creating.

[smhardesty]

I went ahead and added an entry to my software sources and then installed Seamonkey via Synaptic. I figured I'd give it a tryout and see how well I really like it. I've used it off and on over the past few years. There is really nothing about it I don't like. I use lots less addons and extensions than I did in the past so that wasn't a big concern.

[Artim]

OMYGOSH YES!  Seamonkey has thousands fewer lines of code than Firefox!  PLUS it has a simple, Thunderbird-like e-mail client. And yet it is faster and more nimble.  Most Firefox add-ons work in Seamonkey too.  Seamonkey is the default on other lightweight distros because of it's speed, low demand on resources, and "Firefox-like" interface.  It would be an awesome first choice for Linux Lite, and in keeping with it's philosophy.

Wanna try it?


Clicky add it to Linux Lite by adding the Ubuntuzilla repository.


Open a terminal and type

Code: [Select]

sudo apt-key adv –recv-keys –keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C1289A29

Then add the repository:

Code: [Select]

echo -e “ndeb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main” | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list > /dev/null

Now you can close the terminal and open Synaptic Package Manager for a nice friendly graphical way to install Seamonkey.  Refresh Synaptic, and Seamonkey should appear among the choices now.  Simply find it and click and Mark for Installation -> Apply.