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Title: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on August 25, 2022, 03:00:19 PM
Howdy folks,
I asked this question a few months ago when I downloaded the new Thunderbird mail and installed it on the W7 side.  Does anyone know when the 102.01 series will be available for update on Linux Lite?  On the Ubuntu website it is available as a snap or flatpack, also states it is available for download from the Thunderbird site as well.  There are many security updates on the newest version as well as UI improvements so I ask again does anyone know when the update will trickle down to Linux Lite?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on August 25, 2022, 05:45:32 PM
There will be a very specific reason for this on a developmental/compatibility level.
It won't be available until Ubuntu deems it ready. Cheers.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on August 26, 2022, 12:18:00 AM
Thanks for the quick response to my question, my next question is why does it take so long for the updates to reach Linux Lite.  Another is what is the process for the update to get to Linux Lite, I know the answer is most likely a long one considering how many versions of Linux that are out there using Ubuntu as their base.  Could it be several months before I see an update to Thunderbird 102 ?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 21, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
Mine (102) came in this morning via Updates.

(https://imgur.com/UxUuJMq.png)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 21, 2022, 09:22:12 PM
Hi Jerry,

That is great news, I'm 17 hours behind where you live so hopefully it will arrive tomorrow for me.  I've been using it on W7 since it was available for download and it has many improvements I like very much.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 21, 2022, 09:25:23 PM
I'm sure it won't be too far away.

Sent from my Mobile phone using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 22, 2022, 11:56:38 AM
I hope so but as of this morning it isn't here yet
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 22, 2022, 01:49:35 PM
I hope so but as of this morning it isn't here yet

Patience, is the most powerful weapon against the oddities of life! :)

I also use Thunderbird... ;)

Best regards!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Artim on September 22, 2022, 04:21:46 PM
Thunderbird is great! But am I the only one here that uses Seamonkey I wonder? It does what both Firefox and Thunderbird do, yet with thousands fewer lines of code than Firefox by itself!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 23, 2022, 04:56:08 PM
I've never tried SeaMonkey, I haven't researched or read much about it as I've used Thunderbird mail for many years on windows OS'.  Now that I'm using a Linux OS I am finding out how long it takes to receive new updated versions of software like Firefox, and Thunderbird mail.  I understand the security aspect in Linux but this new version of mail came out in May!  I still am waiting for the update as of this morning I haven't received it yet.  Patience is a virtue and it is needed with Linux and since I dual boot with W7 I am able to use the new versions when they are available.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 24, 2022, 12:18:49 AM
@vint what repos are you set to for Ubuntu?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 24, 2022, 09:02:48 AM
Howdy Jerry,

That is a good question, I have not visited that section in a while but it should be USA?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 25, 2022, 02:22:06 AM
Howdy Jerry,

That is a good question, I have not visited that section in a while but it should be USA?

Hi! :)

I changed the download servers to the fastest server suggested by Synaptic, after reading the sequence of posts here.
Nothing happened! :( I still have the 91.11.0 version... Should've been the 102.x.y. now...

...Finally, I ended up installing it manually, from the download archive. I have now the 102.3.0 version which is the latest.
I still have to figure out how to remove the old version, without breaking loose Hell upon my life... :P
The new version, changed its home to /opt/Thunderbird.

Anyway, if you study the installation procedure, you'll understand why it takes so long to get to servers: it requires to write a setup script to make it run smoothly...
I did it "the hard way": using a combination of CLI and DoubleCommander As Root. (I hate typing long paths in the CLI!!!  :014:)


@Jerry

Do you think you can fix this in Lite 6.2??
I have only a vague idea on what's to do to change to latest so, best thing to do is... Ask! :)

Best regards! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 25, 2022, 03:01:02 AM
My Server is ofc set to New Zealand.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 25, 2022, 04:36:01 AM
My Server is ofc set to New Zealand.

That's weird!
This means that the issue is somewhere else, because if the update packages are available on a server, the DNS propagation might take at most 72 hours!
This thread was started on August 25, 2022, 03:00:19 PM. So, we're one month away, and still nothing?
As I said in the previous post, I installed it manually, but this requires some administrative practice.
Might also be a distro developer conflict. The new home for Thunderbird, is /opt/Thunderbird. That forced me to import all data from the old installation, leaving me with the old one in place... Is this such a "deadly" issue?
The launchers have been correctly updated, though... I tested all the available launchers and they all point to the correct version (102.3.0).

Synaptic says that the installed version is 1:91.11.0+build2-0ubuntu0 and that is the latest for Ubuntu 22.04.1.
Again, weird!  :022:

I changed the download server to the first address available. Still, nothing. [http://mirror.fsmg.org.nz/ubuntu]
The second address, says that the lists are unavailable, or server is down [ubuntu.mirrors.theom.nz].
The third address, gives the same version as available (91.11.0). Beside that, is very slow, from Romānia. [ucmirror.canterbury.ac.nz]
I'll switch back to the fastest for RO. [mirrors.nxthost.com, Romānia]. Nothing, yet.

I've tested 5 servers so far and all say the same thing: 91.11.0 is "the latest & the greatest".
Do you have another server address than the three mentioned?
In Romania, we have 9 mirrors.

Best regards! :)



Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 25, 2022, 09:41:48 AM
Howdy folks,
I checked again this morning for updates and still no Thunderbird update.  I'm in the USA so that is what the default repo is and there are 18 mirrors on the page.  I am new to all of this as you know and I am not going to get into downloading software updates the hard way.  I am not close to that level yet with command line and in fact I'm still after 6 months still fighting with the printer driver for my Canon laser printer to work on LL, the command line language on the Canon website doesn't work with LL for some weird reason. Thunderbird works on LL for now and as such I will not mess with it since I'm able to use the new version on Windows7.  As a newbie to Linux I still don't understand why getting peripherals to work is so difficult, I should be able to download a driver and it should just work like it does with Windows, the new version of Thunderbird mail has been out for months but still not available for LL in the USA.  Very frustrating indeed but the pros outweigh the cons with LL that is for sure.  Have a great Sunday
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 25, 2022, 12:58:46 PM
@serb

Code: [Select]
Hit:1 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
Hit:2 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates InRelease                                                                                                                   
Hit:3 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-backports InRelease                                                                                                                 
Hit:4 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security InRelease

http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 26, 2022, 01:48:34 AM
@serb

Code: [Select]
Hit:1 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
Hit:2 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates InRelease                                                                                                                   
Hit:3 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-backports InRelease                                                                                                                 
Hit:4 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security InRelease

http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/

Thanks, Jerry! :)

I took a look into /etc/apt/sources.list

It looks like this:

Code: [Select]
# deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy main restricted
...
deb http://mirrors.nxthost.com/ubuntu/ jammy restricted main
...

This is what was available through the Synaptic frontend.
The only way we can change the servers is either edit /etc/apt/sources.list via (I'd rather do this...)

Code: [Select]
sudo pluma /etc/apt/sources.list
We can use any editor, like mousepad, gedit, geany, etc., I use Pluma, OR via

Code: [Select]
sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy universe multiverse"
That's ugly, you have to issue lots of CLI commands for all the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
Now, weighing the amount of work required, I guess my approach (manual update) was better.
Unfortunately, it's a very subjective approach, since that's up to one's computing skills, I know that.
Afterall, "easy" depends on what you know and how many times you did what you know.

Weird, again!

I followed your link for Thunderbird Repo (http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/)
I found the 102.3.0 .deb version.
Now, I wonder what's happening, because I found the same package in this place:
http://mirrors.nxthost.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird/
Package data is:
thunderbird-dbg_102.3.0+build1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb   377.0 MiB   2022-Sep-16 12:29
It looks very much the same as in your Repo! (My server provides a debug version, that's why it's larger...)
thunderbird_102.3.0+build1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb 2022-09-17 00:29   59M

Why is the update held then?!

Best regards! :)

Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 26, 2022, 01:56:53 AM

Why is the update held then?!


No idea :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 26, 2022, 03:12:24 AM
If you want it now, just install the Mozilla PPA. Instructions are in the 6.0 Release Announcement.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 04:01:05 AM
A geographical odity , only available in New Zealand.  So I guess I just wait and be thankful I still have W7 to use the updated version of mail and Firefox .
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 26, 2022, 04:03:26 AM
Re-read my last post.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 26, 2022, 05:24:22 AM
A geographical odity , only available in New Zealand.  So I guess I just wait and be thankful I still have W7 to use the updated version of mail and Firefox .

Hi! :)

Do this:

Code: [Select]
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
sudo apt update

Hope this gives you what you want! :)

Best regards!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 08:48:42 AM
Serban,
Thanks for the information and the help is appreciated, I am still a novice with Linux Lite and those of you who are proficient with all things Linux might find it difficult to see things from my point of view as a 32 year user of Windows OS'.  I hope one day to not be a novice any longer.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 11:05:30 AM
@Jerry I checked my repository is USA, my question is this; am I to select a specific mirror from the list?  I'm a bit confused on this because if that is the case then I am not sure how to select a specific mirror.  Could give me some clarity regarding this subject.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: firenice03 on September 26, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
@vint
When you do an update from the command line - do you get a few Skipping messages?

Code: [Select]
sudo apt update
Messages like...
Code: [Select]
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'pool/ .....'
It may the repos are jacked up? :032:  = I'm getting these in the CLI but Install Updates says up to date

 
Or have you change them ===
May want to try - Lite Tweaks - Package Repair
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 26, 2022, 03:51:27 PM
Serban,
Thanks for the information and the help is appreciated, I am still a novice with Linux Lite and those of you who are proficient with all things Linux might find it difficult to see things from my point of view as a 32 year user of Windows OS'.  I hope one day to not be a novice any longer.

Thank you for being patient! :)
As for me, I'm a novice in many Linux (or whatever OS) things! I usually learn "on the fly". That is: "On a need to know basis". If I encounter some trouble, I search, then I do my best to understand then APPLY. Usually, it works. If I still fail, then I ask people around. :D

[...]those of you who are proficient with all things Linux might find it difficult to see things from my point of view as a 32 year user of Windows OS'

I do my best to remember how I was back then! (1997). I find it very important! It keeps me safe from being arrogant, to say the least!
And I also have some 17 years of Win. About 10 of those, were dual booting Win/Linux. At the time, I used Red Hat, then Mandrake and then Ubuntu.

And I like to remember a line from Avatar: "There's always a bigger bird in the sky!"
And this is true! There's always someone that is way better than me! Always! Keeping this in mind, is very useful!

By the way: I looked again in Synaptic. Nothing! Still 91.11.0. It seems that there is some invisible error that holds the 102.3 version from being installed.

As for the version itself, I like the "Update" option in the new version. It's far more useful. The UI design, also looks more useful (from a practical perspective).
Overall: I like it! :)

Best regards! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
@firenice03,
I haven't done many apt-update but I haven't run into any problems like you have described.  I receive updates on a regular basis except for Thunderbird mail and Mozilla Firefox, also the clamav version update is lagging sometimes but all of the rest seem to be updating just fine.  I'm still taking baby steps using the command line for anything and I'm very careful when I do.  As Serb has said about Thunderbird mail, it is stuck out there somewhere and the only way to receive the new version is to download it through the terminal, I can wait for now, thanks for all of your help.  Now if I could just get my printer problem figured out!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 04:44:46 PM
@Serban S,
Thanks for the help and encouragement, eventually I will get more comfortable with Linux.  Miles to go before I sleep.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: firenice03 on September 26, 2022, 09:17:23 PM
@firenice03,
I haven't done many apt-update but I haven't run into any problems like you have described.  I receive updates on a regular basis except for Thunderbird mail and Mozilla Firefox, also the clamav version update is lagging sometimes but all of the rest seem to be updating just fine.  I'm still taking baby steps using the command line for anything and I'm very careful when I do.  As Serb has said about Thunderbird mail, it is stuck out there somewhere and the only way to receive the new version is to download it through the terminal, I can wait for now, thanks for all of your help.  Now if I could just get my printer problem figured out!


That's what I'm meaning -- the errors I see are as if the underlying repo has a 'typo' if you will.. Its skipping the pool directory where the thunderbird update (among others) resides... If I traverse the repo I can find the newer version... its likely an upstream Ubuntu issue, though I haven't dug too deep into... But alas I too use US repos and see the same..
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 26, 2022, 11:58:37 PM
Earlier I went to repository settings following the instructions and changed to a closer mirror, reset and checked updates but still the newer Thunderbird version eludes me.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 27, 2022, 12:38:48 AM
You must have missed this post by Serb earlier in the thread.


Hi! :)

Do this:

Code: [Select]
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa
sudo apt update

Hope this gives you what you want! :)

Best regards!

Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: firenice03 on September 27, 2022, 08:54:59 AM
@vint
As Jerry & Serb mention - you can install via a PPA should you like the update version, OR as an alternative to PPA you can install via snap (If you've installed Firefox from Lite Software)...
I mention if Firefox was installed via Lite Software as it too is a snap package.. If you did not install FF then I'd go the PPA route..


If you have installed FF (as a snap package - snap is installed) - verify if snap installed...
Code: [Select]
snap list


If output is displayed....


Info - version
Code: [Select]
snap info thunderbird

Install
Code: [Select]
sudo snap install thunderbird
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 27, 2022, 09:15:44 AM
Thanks for all the helpful information I appreciate it, I have my repo set back as USA default is that the best ?
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: trinidad on September 27, 2022, 10:17:29 AM
I'm not sure what the deal is with Ubuntu 22 and Mozilla but probably linked to Thunderbird not being a distro package anymore. My oldstable Debian 10 (wayland gnome) system just received update to new 102.3 for Firefox and Thunderbird today and there are substantial differences in the GUI so it is probably an Ubuntu thing concerning the GUI compatibility and/or security changes compatibility. I expect this to be an ongoing lag since Ubuntu is not building the package specifically for their base desktop GUI anymore unlike Debian. I am currently using the Mozilla PPA in my Linux Lite 6.0 system and it has been up to date with 102 for well over a week now. I don't understand the NZ server exception at all. Not sure what that is about. The whole thing could just be Ubuntu/Snap politics for all I know. Yuck.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=thunderbird (https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=thunderbird)

TC   
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on September 27, 2022, 05:26:22 PM

I don't understand the NZ server exception at all. Not sure what that is about.

TC   

There isn't any exception, TB comes down through the mozilla PPA.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 28, 2022, 12:45:26 AM
Serb's command line code he gave me worked without a flaw and now I have the updated versions of Thunderbird mail and Firefox browser, and if I can do it anyone can.  I am still a bit apprehensive when using the terminal for anything being a novice but this was just easy, thanks to Jerry and Serb for all of the help and patience it is appreciated.

Best regards
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 28, 2022, 12:51:41 AM
Thanks @Serban S. for the command line code for the updates to Thunderbird and Firefox it was easy and fast and now I'm a little less scared to use the terminal.

Best regards
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: robert2019 on September 28, 2022, 10:04:37 AM
Good day Serban, Jerry,

Is such repository ppa script meant to be run on any Series, or only on 6.x ones, otherwise it might break somehow the system configuration?

I'm 5.x same as Vint tells us in his profile he is. I dont recall if he upgraded to 6.0 or not.

Thank you in advance for your great support!
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 28, 2022, 11:44:38 AM
Serb's command line code he gave me worked without a flaw and now I have the updated versions of Thunderbird mail and Firefox browser, and if I can do it anyone can.  I am still a bit apprehensive when using the terminal for anything being a novice but this was just easy, thanks to Jerry and Serb for all of the help and patience it is appreciated.

Best regards

:D :D Glad I could help! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 28, 2022, 12:24:15 PM
Good day Serban, Jerry,

Is such repository ppa script meant to be run on any Series, or only on 6.x ones, otherwise it might break somehow the system configuration?

I'm 5.x same as Vint tells us in his profile he is. I dont recall if he upgraded to 6.0 or not.

Thank you in advance for your great support!

The problem is less about the PPA.
The problem is IF the Thunderbird 102.3.0 is compatible with the version of the OS.
Now, to find if it does, you can do this:

Code: [Select]
sudo apt update
sudo apt upgrade thunderbird

IF and only IF Thunderbird 102.3 is compatible with Linux Lite 5.x (for now, 5.8, the latest release of the 5.x series), you will get the upgrade. Else, you will get some message like "Nothing to upgrade" or "You already have the latest version" which means that the current version (102.3.0) has dependencies specific to the Linux Lite 6.x series (Ubuntu 22.x). The same applies to FireFox.

This is how it looks on my computer:

Code: [Select]
sudo apt upgrade thunderbird
Reading package lists... 0%                                                     
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
thunderbird is already the newest version (1:91.11.0+build2-0ubuntu0.22.04.1).
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libspeechd2 python3-speechd speech-dispatcher
  speech-dispatcher-audio-plugins speech-dispatcher-espeak-ng
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.

Notice the line:
thunderbird is already the newest version

As you can see, nothing bad happens. :)

All the best! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 28, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
Howdy Serban,
I am running LL 5.8 and the info on the profile is correct, I have not had any problems since running the code and implementing and updating Mozilla and Thunderbird.  I really appreciate the help you've given to a Linux novice like me, sometimes it is a bit overwhelming with the command line because there are so many distros. 
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on September 29, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
Howdy Serban,
I am running LL 5.8 and the info on the profile is correct, I have not had any problems since running the code and implementing and updating Mozilla and Thunderbird.  I really appreciate the help you've given to a Linux novice like me, sometimes it is a bit overwhelming with the command line because there are so many distros.

I'm very glad to hear that! :) That means that many people running some LL 5.x version will be able to install and use one or both.
That's good to know! :)

Best regards! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on September 29, 2022, 08:55:13 PM
I didn't give a thought to you running 6.0 when you gave me the code, but everything is still running great and no problems at all.

Best regards
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on October 05, 2022, 02:00:34 PM
FYI,
Thunderbird mail successfully updated this morning to 102.3.1 from the codes given by Serban, I am running Linux Lite 5.8 on a Compaq Presario CQ 56 2 gigahertz processor and 4 GB ram dual boot with Windows 7 home premium on a 320 GB HDD.  I haven't had any errors or problems with the updates of both Thunderbird mail and Mozilla Firefox browser.  Thanks to Serban and Jerry for the help.
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on October 05, 2022, 03:14:24 PM
FYI,
Thunderbird mail successfully updated this morning to 102.3.1 from the codes given by Serban, I am running Linux Lite 5.8 on a Compaq Presario CQ 56 2 gigahertz processor and 4 GB ram dual boot with Windows 7 home premium on a 320 GB HDD.  I haven't had any errors or problems with the updates of both Thunderbird mail and Mozilla Firefox browser.  Thanks to Serban and Jerry for the help.

Hi, Vint! :)

I searched the machine and looks very much like my old Lenovo T400. On this machine, I did even video & audio editing, using OpenShot and Audacity so, I guess you're very much entitled to "ask for more": this "baby", is nowhere near to the Recycle Bin! :)

Thunderbird 102.3.1

I got the update also, yesterday. It's weird, because I installed it manually. I checked the PPA list again, but there is nothing like a "PPA: mozilla..."

Here is the list:

(https://i.imgur.com/4IJPiSx.png)

Regards,
Șerban. :)


Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on October 06, 2022, 01:15:52 AM
Howdy Serban,
That is weird indeed, again thanks for all of the help and I am loving Linux Lite on my old laptop, it runs smooth like Windows 10 never happened.  Linux Lite uses so little resources and doesn't max out my cpu and ram like W7 does, I should have installed an SSD last year instead of HDD and it would be even faster.

Best regards,
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on October 06, 2022, 05:28:38 AM
[...] I should have installed an SSD last year instead of HDD and it would be even faster.

Hello, Vint! :)

I have about 22 months of practice using SSD drives. Now, I know merchants love their commercials and boost performance in words to make the products "eye-catching". Putting all this BS aside, I checked the performance individually, on each machine I used and the speed boost a SSD can offer, largely depends on the technical specifications of the given machine.
On this machine (Dell Precision T1700), the measurements show a speed boost of about 500% (five times faster than HDD). Previously, I had two types of HDD: Western Digital and Seagate. I never had the money to buy the server-type (10,000 rpm) so I bought the 7,200 rpm versions, even 5,400 rpm. So this was the comparison term: HDD 500 GB, 5,400 rpm.
While the articles on this subject say the speed of a 5,400 is 100 MB/sec and for 7,200 rpm is 120 MB/sec (never ever got that!!), the measured speed for a SSD, is around 350... 400 MB/sec.
See the image below. Obviously, the test was conducted on Linux Lite 6.0:

(https://i.imgur.com/yX1QBnX.png)

I know now that we need a comparison with another media benchmark. So, here it is! An old Seagate laptop HDD, 120 GB:

(https://i.imgur.com/2LBojV5.png)

Theoretically, it is 10 times faster. When you copy files though, the transfer window shows a different story!
Anyway, a SSD IS at least, 5 times faster than any HDD.

Here is another benchmark, for an external Seagate Elements, 4 TB, USB 3:

(https://i.imgur.com/R7L9omu.png)

Why are the values so different?

I used different partitioning systems over time. I noticed that the MSDOS partition table type, leads to slow reading/writing speeds, while GPT partitioning, leads to a way faster read/write speed.
The read value at about 35 MB/sec, is given by a MSDOS partitioning table of a HDD, with an ext2 file system.
The read values of 179 MB/sec and respectively 385 MB/sec, are given ba GPT partitions of a HDD, ext2 file systems.
Comparing the speed values of the same type of drive AND partitioning type, makes sense. Otherwise, it's BS. It's black-hat marketing. Period!

The problem with those GPT partitions is that are difficult to use on a BIOS firmware machine. They are incompatible and using them, might damage the drives.
Getting at this point, leaves us with the above said speed for a SSD:
On an GPT partition, AND a UEFI firmware, you get a 5 times speed boost;
On an MSDOS partition, AND a BIOS firmware, you get a 5 times speed boost;
The 10 times boost, results from comparing dogs with elephants:
That is, when you benchmark a HDD with MSDOS partitioning and a SSD with a GPT partitioning, and you put the values side by side, without specifying the drive type AND partitioning type! Which is BS.
It would be the same as to say a bycicle is the same with the latest BMW car, or a Hummer, just because the two kinds of transport, have wheels... :D :D :D :D

Cheers! :D
Have a wonderful day! :D
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on October 06, 2022, 12:08:03 PM
Very interesting indeed,
I've read some of those comparisons you mention in the past and comparing bicycles and mustangs is stupid, but at the time I needed a drive for the laptop and SSD's were still fairly expensive and I couldn't afford one at the time.  I did purchase a Samsung EVO for my wife's laptop in early 2022 and the cost had dropped by almost half, When I booted hers up I was shocked at how fast it was and had regrets immediately.  If I decide to keep my Compaq Presario into the next year I will consider a c/o from hdd to ssd. 

Best regards,
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on October 08, 2022, 01:05:17 AM
It looks as though Thunderbird has been released from the Ubuntu repositories. If someone else can confirm this please (not the Mozilla PPA).

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Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: stevef on October 08, 2022, 01:43:18 AM
Last thunderbird update I got was to version 1:102.2.2 on 5th October - (I don't have PPA for mozilla).
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Şerban S. on October 08, 2022, 06:05:05 AM
It looks as though Thunderbird has been released from the Ubuntu repositories. If someone else can confirm this please (not the Mozilla PPA).

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Hi, Jerry! :)

I confirm the update.
I installed 102.3 manually, so there is nothing like PPA in my system.

This is how the sources look like:

(https://i.imgur.com/Z6CvfcT.png)

The current working version of TB is 102.3.0. By the time I installed it, was 102.3.0.
I received 2 updates, they looked like being installed through the "Install Updates" script.
So, definitely, now it works, up to some point.

However: the "About..."  box, looks like that, in spite of the updated packages.

(https://i.imgur.com/O4rrQK8.png)

This leads me to the conclusion that there are two versions installed: The initial version, and the one I installed manually.

I performed a search on the entire system and it is exactly as I figured it out:

The version I installed (102.3.0), resides in /opt/thunderbird, while the initial installation resides in /usr/bin/thunderbird (it is a symlink), and has been updated to 102.2.2:

(https://i.imgur.com/c3kaNlm.png)

For now, I guess I will keep "upfront" the /opt/thunderbird version, since it looks it is updating faster.
Having enough disk space, I'll keep the other version too. This way, I can watch what happens with both of them.


Last thought, to ... @vint (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/profile/?u=49554)


Please, mark the thread as Solved

Best regards! :)
Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: Jerry on October 08, 2022, 06:07:25 AM
Good to hear.

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Title: Re: Thunderbird Mail 102.01?
Post by: vint on December 31, 2022, 11:14:31 AM
Thunderbird mail is still updating and running smooth without any problems thanks to Serban and Jerry.