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I'm about to get a new Windows 10 PC. First thing I do is back it up, then put Windows 7 and LL on it. No way I'd run 10 after all this...


Or just put LL on and put win in a VB  :P
 

 

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Hello!

People get automatically upgraded to WIndows 10, and their drivers no longer work - even after they uninstall it. Then they call me. By then, they're QUITE interested in having me to reinstall the drivers and remove the privacy-compromising 'telemetry' that has been placed into 7 and 8.x by way of these updates.

Windows 10 infestation is certainly not the only thing Microsoft has planted into 7 and 8.x. I never chose automatic updates in the past, and now read about EVERY update they push - BEFORE it gets installed...

I'm about to get a new Windows 10 PC. First thing I do is back it up, then put Windows 7 and LL on it. No way I'd run 10 after all this...

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Read about this on How to Geek newsletter last week...it's true. They're doing it as automatic updates for Win7 +. Microsoft says if one doesn't want it just delete the updates. Lucky for me my boxes and OSes are to old ...lol.  Poor MS can't even give it away. Setting a target of one billion...maybe over reaching somewhat.  ;) Guessing auto update is about the only way they can even come close to that kind of a target and then it's a bad stat...don't really know if they can track how many updates are dumped. Typical.
 

 

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That happened for me at step 3, According to what was shown on screen,
This may have been smoke and mirrors then, but the download took(appeared to take) about 20mins
Then I was prompted to install, Step 4.

This was on a tablet 8.1 with Bing, maybe it depends on version/device..??
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This topic does NOT say installing windows to your machine it says "downloading".

Another quote from the link in the first post of this topic.

"Although Windows 10 is not installing itself once the files are in place, the download demands between 3.5GB and 6GB, placing demand on disk space and bandwidth."

That is the concern addressed in this topic.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2015, 12:51:12 PM by avj »
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There are/was number of steps...

1. You click notification to reserve
2. At some point you then get the offer to install
3. You then can accept to install
4. You then proceed with what is like a Window install


So you have had to make 4 concious decisions to proceed with update.
I'm not defending M$, but it certainly did not just install Win10 in my case.



So there are/was 4 steps to Install,
and even at the install step you can cancel install on first screen
That is how it was on my tablet.
On my VM's I just removed the noted Update to remove the notifications.

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From the link provided in the first post of this topic: "The download appears to be coming to users on Windows 7 and 8 who have opted to receive updates from Microsoft, a setting that needs to be active for critical security patches to come through.

Addressing the reports, the computing giant said that the files are downloading to help users prepare for the OS switch "if they decide to upgrade".

The firm said in a statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they'll need if they decide to upgrade.

"When the upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 on the device.""

According to that if you have automatic updates on it will download the installation files to your computer.
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The title of this thread is what I find misleading as if it happens if you do not reserve your copy.

I agree, the title appears to be a statement (though somewhat tentative) rather than an open question. 
Either way, I wouldn't worry at all.  I reserved my win 10 upgrades for both win7 & 8.1 VMs on setup (1),
indicated in the footer below, though have since cancelled them.  For the UEFI win8.1/LL2.6 dual-boot in the
same setup, I have let Win 8.1 run with the upgrading process.  The win8.1 part of the dual-boot now seems to be ready
for upgrade as a file of 2,706 MB is now present in my Windows Update window.  However, the OS appears to
firmly remain as win8.1, and will not update to win10, until I click on this file to trigger the download and install process
of this file and its contents.  Microsoft doesn't appear to be adopting an upgrade-by-stealth tactic, at least from what I gather...

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I don't know if you gave LEGAL consent when you reserved your copy, but you sure IMPLIED consent.  I am not a lawyer but I also KNOW if you don't reserve it doesn't download.  I have Win 7 on 5 machines, made no reservation and nothing downloaded. 

The title of this thread is what I find misleading as if it happens if you do not reserve your copy.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2015, 11:22:21 AM by OldGuy »
 

 

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@OldGuy, the first post in this topic provides a link describing the problem. The post you referred to is provided to help you if you do not want windows 10, even if you gave consent and then changed your mind.
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Ummmmm.  If you reserved your copy - you gave consent.

I didn't on any of mine and nothing was downloaded.  I also deleted the "update" that displays the "beg" icon...
I was unaware of this. Can you please show us where they say that? Thank you.

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Ummmmm.  If you reserved your copy - you gave consent.

I didn't on any of mine and nothing was downloaded.  I also deleted the "update" that displays the "beg" icon...
 

 

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I have a cheap Windows 8.1 with bing tablet, that offered an upgrade via a Notification, and my "for posterity" Windows 7/8.1 VM's offered the same.
A quick Google found the culprit, it was part of regular updates in April. Already noted above by @m654321 is the method of removing the update.

Without user action it can't install Win10 over 7/8 (TTBOMK)
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@m654321 I don't let windows have access to anything except a shared folder, and I check every thing that goes in to the system. If I did get a security problem I have backup data I can restore and be back in business very quickly. I use only a few programs some of which date back to windows 95 that I haven't found suitable replacements for in Linux. My virtual machine is running XP no network is used because of the security risk.
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I am not sure how true the claims are, as I no longer use windows except in a virtual machine with no internet connection.

How do you patch Windows OS, for security purposes, without an internet connection?  Isn't that a little risky - might not  Windows-specific viruses (if present), enter the virtual machine and attack your unprotected Windows OS, either from the internet or from any contaminated files from  USB storage devices?

Even when Win 7 or 8.1 are installed as VMs in Oracle Virtualbox v.5, as I have done, I have still received this annoying notification for the Win 10 upgrade.  However, you can disable the get Win 10 icon in the notification tray.  I have done this and I am assuming that the Win 10 upgrade is now cancelled (though may be wrong here...). You need to delete KB3035583 in Windows Updates.  See   http://www.howtogeek.com/218856/how-do-you-disable-the-get-windows-10-icon-shown-in-the-notification-tray/ which was the source of this information.

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« Last Edit: September 12, 2015, 09:43:26 AM by m654321 »
64bit OS (32-bit on Samsung netbook) installed in Legacy mode on MBR-formatted SSDs (except pi which uses a micro SDHC card):
2017 - Raspberry pi 3B (4cores) ~ [email protected] - LibreElec, used for upgrading our Samsung TV (excellent for the task)  
2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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