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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: bitsnpcs on September 15, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
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This is an experimental format for a Linux Lite Women's Thread, with differences.
Rather than adopting the often female exclusive zones I've seen elsewhere, this thread is for all members. I decided a better format for the thread was that of the sister, as it includes all age ranges, and types of females.
This is not a Linux Support thread.
How it works
The male members in the community can ask questions in this thread, any of the female members who can answer those questions from their own perspectives, and wishes to, will reply.
Now begins your opportunity to ask your questions that you wish to know the female perspective on.
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Good luck :)
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Thank You @Jerry :)
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I will answer some.
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Thanks :) , updated OP
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Great idea :)
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Glad you like it @newtusmaximus :)
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you really used that computer ?
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@Shanti yes I use it sometimes, it's just a regular computer.
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@bitsnpcs yeah lol, I believe you, honest. Can I see it? Don't you worry ?
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Yes you can see it and try it if you want tomorrow, it had a new hard drive before coming here, as I wrote it's just a regular computer. I have been looking for a new back up computer for some time, as my current back up one is 32bit, so I may get one similar to this, it comes with Ubuntu preinstalled, which I will want to change to LL 4 series, so I'm just having a look etc.
No I don't worry it is my partner.
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We have talked about it before etc
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the computer is regular.
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Thank you to everyone who read the previous proposal.
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Hi @bitsnpcs !
I just noticed this thread and thought: This is great! This addresses something important. Yes, all people need to see themselves represented in a community, in an area of interest, and see themselves being included and treated respectfully. And as a white, straight male, I need to be active in promoting it and participating in it.
I don't spend a ton of time on forums, and I haven't seen this before, so I apologize if I cover old territory.
Some things I wonder: How did you discover Linux, the whole world of alternative OSes, and become a user? And are there things you notice in the design of an operating system or a desktop environment (like Linux Lite, or others) that 'assumes maleness,' that you wish were more considerate of non-male users?
Thank you for offering to share your experiences with us!
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Hello @whateverthing ,
I had a teacher for windows, as before this I didn't like computers at all and hadn't used them, a friend of my eldest brother, he used Linux, he taught me how to use a computer with windows, he used on his computers Red Hat, SUSE, and Mandrake.
So I started looking in to Linux, out of Linux Lite and Linux Mint, on the Mint d/l it had too many types and also DE, I didn't know what they were, it confused me a lot. Linux Lite it was then.
Yes there are parts in Linux Lite that are more aimed at males, but these things do not bother me.
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Yes there are parts in Linux Lite that are more aimed at males, but these things do not bother me.
I make my own distributions and have been normally on Slackware based stuff. I am learning Ubuntu stuff as I go along. Learning a new distribution is a challenge for anyone.
My question is, what parts (knowing each distribution is different) do you consider more aimed at males? This information would help me and probably any other developer. Another question, is it programs or themes that are effecting a sort of negative attitude? Any criticism is constructive.
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Hello @supergamer ,
I think some aspects of themes, the lines are more masculine on some wallpapers, and some icons such as Appearance and About use male images rather than just images, like the Users and Groups icon does.
None of these things give me a negative attitude or feeling.
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Development icon too, I had forgotten this one.
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I just noticed this thread and thought: This is great! This addresses something important. Yes, all people need to see themselves represented in a community, in an area of interest, and see themselves being included and treated respectfully. And as a white, straight male, I need to be active in promoting it and participating in it.
@whateverthing
I am a white, straight female.
My boyfriend is mixed race, his mother is white English, his father is second generation Chinese and was born in England.
Some things I wonder: How did you discover Linux, the whole world of alternative OSes, and become a user? And are there things you notice in the design of an operating system or a desktop environment (like Linux Lite, or others) that 'assumes maleness,' that you wish were more considerate of non-male users?
I heard about Linux, the whole world of alternative OSes, hacking, making, from childrens stories, they added these in to stories under different names. When I grew older I asked if they were about Linux. Later I was behind the wall, I remembered some or changed them. Stories of freedom, and some rage stories about the establishment and system at the start, these ideas changed over time.
Later I was asked to join a project, one of the tasks they set me was to encourage others from my community to join. There I seen Linux Lite. My first thoughts. This is what freedom looks like. I am home.
I make my own distributions and have been normally on Slackware based stuff. I am learning Ubuntu stuff as I go along. Learning a new distribution is a challenge for anyone.
My question is, what parts (knowing each distribution is different) do you consider more aimed at males? This information would help me and probably any other developer. Another question, is it programs or themes that are effecting a sort of negative attitude? Any criticism is constructive.
@supergamer
When changing About at the top of menu it changes the login box image, it could be nicer if it also changed the About icon in ALL category of the menu.
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@Shanti @bitsnpcs Thank you both for the responses you gave.
@bitsnpcs I'm glad to hear Linux has helped you find a fresh start! I hope you keep being successful in that.
You named some icons (Appearance, About, Groups). Are you using LL 3-series? I'm looking at LL 4-series so the icons are different. I'm curious, because I designed some of the Lite-app icons in series 4.
@Shanti Your comment about children's stories surprised me. You heard stories when you were young about using computers? With details about the operating systems? I would like to hear more about that.
Thank you again!
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@whateverthing
Yes I am using LL 3.2
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My question is, what parts (knowing each distribution is different) do you consider more aimed at males? This information would help me and probably any other developer. Another question, is it programs or themes that are effecting a sort of negative attitude? Any criticism is constructive.
Wow! Such a great question! As a female I'd like to have a go at answering this question too.
I tried out a few distros from live media but the only one I fully installed was Linux Lite. With that limitation in mind (i.e. I've not tried out a bunch of distros), there were some distros that were off-putting, but possibly not for the "maleness" in terms of design that you might be thinking of. What did put me off one of the distros I was considering (which I will not name here for fear of starting a distro-war argument) was its forum, which was full of people saying stuff along the lines of "if you don't do it my way, you're an idiot". I figured that whatever distro I picked, at some point I'd have questions, and I'd like to be surrounded by nice, reasonable, people in the forum. In that sense I think that is perhaps more of a female requirement - to be influenced strongly by social factors.
In fact, @RandomBoy was an excellent ambassador for LL on Diaspora (where I first asked ppl for recommendations for what distro to use). I had never heard of LL before that. He was a voice of sensible reason, and I thought, hey, this distro seems to have some good people in it. I should really look into this distro, it might be sensible and balanced like the people.
At the same time, I don't want to downplay the excellent technical abilities of LL. As nice as everyone is on the forum, I wouldn't pick a distro solely based on that behavior if it didn't fit my technical needs. But LL supplied everything - in fact, it stood out compared to others that I tried on live media, because some others were packed with extra software that I didn't need. While LL clearly came with everything I needed and nothing that I didn't. I figured anything else I wanted to install, I could do so later down the track, but all the basics were there, and it was easy to use.
The other thing I cared about was release schedule. LL was one of the few that had a clear release cycle and support end dates posted. I don't know if that's a particularly female perspective or not, but I felt, I don't know, kind of "safer" with a distro like that, like it was clear that it was run sensibly and professionally.
I don't know if that completely answers your question, and I don't know if my answers are typical of other females or not, but that's how it is from my perspective. It was awesome that you asked that question, BTW. :)
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@Vera great post :)
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Thank you @Vera for you answers. I am in a bind for a couple of months as both of my daughters are getting married. I understand the "do it my way or else" way of thinking. I self taught myself Linux from getting free install disk on Mandrake. Learning how to do things for myself, I didn't learn how to do it the "correct" way. I didn't learn the "correct" way until I got my cyber security degree. By then I had already released 4 iso's. So in all this rambling, getting constructive criticism never hurts.
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@Shanti Your comment about children's stories surprised me. You heard stories when you were young about using computers? With details about the operating systems? I would like to hear more about that.
Thank you again!
@whateverthing
Yes bedtime stories, and at other times. Close your eyes, they tell a story not from a book, a "framework" , in the mind it is like disney pixar thought environment I made as I was young.
One of the base foundations are vcs, that is -
visualizing, creating, sending . Or - see it in your thoughts, make it, share it.
Common things are you talk about how you are designing the space, the space is a community, when you do a project, sometimes the storyteller may later give hints or they tell you about one of the others, and what they have added to it and why, the idea seed about "collaboration".
To communicate to them in their space you use a system (computer), the computer was built designed and had an operating system made by collaboration by the storytellers. Its looks, desktop and the outside of the computer are exactly how you want it, how you imagine it.
These are not real communities or real computers or real operating systems, they are a story, it is also training and exercise in thought, this makes you happy and sleepy.
The words like open source and Linux were not spoken , it is the idea of these, delivered to a child in a way they can see the principles of why it exists.
Later when you actually hear of the words open source Linux community, collaboration, you know when it is explained that you have known these things exist for a long time.
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@whateverthing
Yes I am using LL 3.2
to re-answer your question with current stats I am using LL 3.0, the icons are the same it seems as it is also LL 3 series.
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Writing only for myself, I abandon this thread and won't be answering any further questions in it.
It is for each woman to make their own choice what they want to do.
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Writing only for myself, I abandon this thread and won't be answering any further questions in it.
It is for each woman to make their own choice what they want to do.
I also opt out of this thread.