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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2019, 07:58:04 PM »
 

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...Linux Lite has proven that you can "have your cake and eat it too," so to speak.  No longer does it have to be a trade-off of lost performance to achieve a newbie-friendly GUI.


You hit the nail on the proverbial head Artim. I wish reviewers would see LL as clearly as you do.
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2019, 06:11:58 PM »
 

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Okay, there are important differences which no one has really pointed out in this thread, but before I came here I did some homework:

In Linux Lite, applications are named for their function, not their "real" names.  A newbie wouldn't know that Evince is a pdf viewer or that Thunar is the file manager.  Linux Lite is for novices who don't know even what they don't know.  This one little thing is very thoughtful, all by itself.

The Xfce desktop is highly customized in Linux Lite, yet still infinitely customizable by the user.  Again, with newbies in mind, and simple people like me who would rather run applications than running the operating system.

Linux Lite includes a magnificent set of tools to make maintaining and tweaking the OS effortless and non-stressful, with point-and-click simplicity and explanations for us non-tech types.  If unsure, there are explanations and the support of this awesome forum, in which the Lead Developer actively participates.  That is rare!

This is better for newbies than even Linux Mint in my opinion.  From the start, it has always been designed with newbies and simplicity-loving technophobic users like me in mind.  And lastly, and most importantly:

Before Linux Lite, it was an axiom in the desktop Linux world that speed and performance was a trade-off to achieve "user-friendliness" with a GUI.  Linux Lite has proven that you can "have your cake and eat it too," so to speak.  No longer does it have to be a trade-off of lost performance to achieve a newbie-friendly GUI.



 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2016, 02:13:27 PM »
 

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Afer months trying everything I could install to thumbdrive, I have 1 conclussion. If it don't come with Lite Tools, I don't want it
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2016, 03:22:40 AM »
 

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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2016, 03:15:55 AM »
 

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All good. Just bouncing ideas how to make the process more efficient and effective for the project AS WELL AS for the developers. :)
Obviously there are many ways to skin a cat... and at least as many opinions on top of it :D

Keep up the great work. Thanks once again, Jerry and team :)
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2016, 12:41:18 AM »
 

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Mike is spot on, thank you Mike :)
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2016, 12:39:03 AM »
 

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And, again, it's not about getting a positive or negative feedback, it's about getting a feedback at all. Also a "declined" is a valuable feedback :)

Hi LL-user,

I think it's unrealistic for everyone to expect individual feedback (whatever its form) from developers for every idea submitted, due to the time factor. The developers (like most people) have families, jobs and other responsibilities and interests, outside of their time in front of a PC. That said, I'm sure if you submit a good idea worthy of further consideration, it will get acknowledged... 

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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2016, 10:33:53 PM »
 

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Every post is read in regards to suggestions. We wouldn't be where we are without them. I read reviews, watch Youtube videos on LL. Anywhere on the net LL is mentioned, I read.

https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-3-0-suggestion-thread/

Use that first post as a summary of how I treat suggestions. Cheers :)
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2016, 05:40:03 PM »
 

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for your input!

I agree regarding the search functionality if a user is looking for help or want to check whether a suggestion/request/bug report has been already logged. However, I was referring to the developers. How are they supposed to use the search function to find these suggestions etc. in general? In saying that, I would assume that Jerry & Co have some process in place (outside this forum) to track this and we just don't know about it :) So maybe another way to approach it, would be to suggest more transparency of this "list", like a more detailed road map, maybe even including a list of declined suggestions?

The other aspect I tried to bring across - but obviously didn't - was the feedback from the developers towards the user. And I am not talking about help requests! This forum is one of the best I have come across when it comes to looking for help. :)

I'm referring to feedback to suggestions etc. submitted. Take this example:
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-3-0-suggestion-thread/msg21946/#msg21946

So I submitted these 14 suggestions I had collected over some time.
How do I know the developers haven seen it? How do I know whether I made myself clear? How do I know what they think of it, or even what they have decided?
I don't!
Will this encourage me to invest the time again? I definitely will think twice.

And, again, it's not about getting a positive or negative feedback, it's about getting a feedback at all. Also a "declined" is a valuable feedback :)

In regard to the voting. It's meant to be one of many indicators, not the sole parameter for working on something or not.
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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2016, 12:50:01 AM »
 

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  • Ideas getting lost on the forum in between all the discussions. They might get lost for good or lead to double posts.
  • Posting ideas without getting feedback is not very encouraging. Even getting a "decline" is much better then talking to a brick wall.
   

LL-user, just some of my views to what you said...
- ideas don't really get lost if you have a search function to track down areas you're interested in or posts you visited once and want to read again
- to help reduce duplication of posts it's a good idea to run a search first, before posting, though I think a certain low level of duplication is perhaps unavoidable
- have to say that I've always found feedback pretty prompt & helpful

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So the question would be how ideas could be consolidated in one place and their status shown? Would it be a separate category with all ideas extracted from all over the forum and each single one with a voting possibility to also give the developer some indication about priorities for users/forum members? Or using a different platform like GitHub or even something like uservoice.com. Although the latter wouldn't be free.
- I think this, in itself, would create duplication and would put a further demand on the moderators' time, which they give voluntarily
- not sure I like ideas being selected/rejected by popular vote - some excellent ideas might not be popular (as they may not be fully appreciated or understood) and so risk being lost with a voting system. I suspect a significant proportion of LL's target audience, i.e. ex-Windows OS users (myself included), don't have the competence or experience with Linux to judge whether some ideas are worthy or not... I leave that to the developers

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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2016, 10:00:22 PM »
 

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I enjoy reading the things mentioned on this thread. And would like to remind people if you find anything lacking for Linux Lite as a whole we are always open to suggestions and small aditions to help make things easier for users. As one of the devs/contributors of sorts I'm always open to expanding the things we can offer. Just post these ideas in the proper place so we can better track them.

Hi Shaggy,

Thanks for the encouragement once again! :)

My suggestion at this point would be about the process of posting and handling ideas themselves to address:
  • Ideas getting lost on the forum in between all the discussions. They might get lost for good or lead to double posts.
  • Posting ideas without getting feedback is not very encouraging. Even getting a "decline" is much better then talking to a brick wall.
So the question would be how ideas could be consolidated in one place and their status shown?

Would it be a separate category with all ideas extracted from all over the forum and each single one with a voting possibility to also give the developer some indication about priorities for users/forum members? Or using a different platform like GitHub or even something like uservoice.com. Although the latter wouldn't be free.

Thanks for the consideration :)
 

Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2016, 01:10:47 AM »
 

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For me... "Quality", Not Quantity ;)


Thanks Dave, that's what I was trying to say too!

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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2016, 06:50:49 PM »
 

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I enjoy reading the things mentioned on this thread. And would like to remind people if you find anything lacking for Linux Lite as a whole we are always open to suggestions and small aditions to help make things easier for users. As one of the devs/contributors of sorts I'm always open to expanding the things we can offer. Just post these ideas in the proper place so we can better track them.
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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2016, 05:46:03 PM »
 

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you mention forum size: you say the other communities are better as they are larger, LL having 'fewer regulars'.

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Re: Linux Lite Xfce vs. Xubuntu
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2016, 04:01:23 PM »
 

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There are other distros' out there aiming for Windows users making it easier for them. Distro's like Zorin, Linux Mint and many more. So, no. Not only LL is aiming for "Windows refugees" but also other distro's. The only point left here now is indeed the learning curve issue. Which distro will these "Windows refugees" learn the quickest the use? My point here is, the easier the lay-out, the more out-of-the-box a distro is, the lesser drivers to install the better it is, that distro will be the winner.

Thanks Nomko for your thoughts. 
Yes, you're right, there are quite a few distros out there aiming at Windows users. However, for me personally, LL does this more effectively than the others.  For example, I was put off by my experience with Zorin Ultimate (both 6.4 & 9 LTS), as there was a lot of instability with the AWN feature - several crashes & lots of time wasted as a result.  I have found the learning curve with Zorin & Linux Mint to be significantly slower than with LL, as there was not such a rapid and personalised response from their forum communities as they are so much bigger than LL's: those offering help didn't quite pitch it at my somewhat elementary level, being a linux newbie.  A shame really, as the Zorin team have worked very hard and produced a very attractive distro that is very easy to use for ex-Windows users. I continue to consider myself a Linux-newbie, 2 years on from WinXP, as Linux seems to be so vast in what it encompasses and has to offer.

Elsewhere in your critique, you mention forum size: you say the other communities are better as they are larger, LL having 'fewer regulars'.  For me 'size doesn't matter' so much. Of more importance, for me personally, is the open-spirited nature & very positive attitude of the developers and other here in helping others out, and of course their great knowledge & experience which has always helped me. 

I get the impression you are new on this forum.  I've been a member for two years. Stick around a bit more and I'm sure you'll benefit from being a part of the community, whether you're a seasoned Linux-user or newbie...

Take care
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2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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