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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: bluzeo on March 23, 2017, 12:28:16 PM
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anyone watch Linux action show or Unplugged?
hey Jerry should reach out to @ChrisLAS and @kernellinux on twitter and talk about the Project. they always got Wimpy and Ikey from Ubuntu Mate and Solus on there.
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Existing Linux users are not our target audience. I'd much rather prefer to spend the time speaking directly to a Windows audience.
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@Jerry,
Understood. I don't listen to Jupiter Broadcasting. Their podcasts are nearly 2 hours long. I do listen to the Going Linux podcast. Their target audience is more in line with the Linux Lite goal, though I'm sure I'm the only person I know who listens to them, and I only became full time with Linux shortly after joining this forum.
I'm still under 2 years removed from having Windows 7 as my full time daily driver. Even so, I only sought out Going Linux after I became (or started to become) a full time Linux user. Linux drove me to Going Linux, not the other way around.
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For me I wouldn't even get on Lite or even Linux without JBS. They been doing Linux distribution spotlights and such. But if it wasn't for Chris and Noah showing off Fedora and arch I wouldn't be on any Linux distribution. I be on MacOS. I have no respect for windows and there unethical practices. Though apple not worst but at least I can get around on Lite and leave it alone. It Looks and feels like MacOS.
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@bluzeo,
If someone brand new to Linux overall came to Linux Lite from Windows, and Jupiter Broadcasting was their link, then Linux Lite owes them a thank you. I believe all Jerry is saying is that isn't the normal path to attract his target audience.
It is more than likely that Jupiter Broadcasting's audience is comprised of Linux users, or the occasional Linux-curious MacOS user or admirer like yourself. Windows users is the bigger audience, and that is the target of this project. But all are welcome however they get here.
If Linux on the desktop wants to move from 2% market share to 4%, it can't keep preaching to the choir. And you have to admit, your and my Linux podcasts of choice tend to do that. The way we can help is to take the knowledge we gain from them and share it with others in our sphere of influence. I, for one, am experiencing success sharing what I know with Windows users. I think if I talked to someone already using Linux, instead of me talking them into Linux Lite, they'd be focused on talking me out of it. The old "my distro is better than yours" scenario.
Cheers
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I Agree but I do think that we need to focus an lil more all aspect of the spectrum. We should get JBS and other Linux daily users know about Lite. Noah is need and distribution to recommend
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There are only so many hours in a day. We must look at all the avenues to a Windows audience, and spend our time wisely promoting via those options.
Analogy - when a politician is trying to solicit votes, does he campaign in a country town with a population of 25, or does he campaign in a city with a population of millions?
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You talking to the wrong guy about that analogy. I am nether party. Before I get in an sour mood. Targeting windows and macOS users is better then just windows. I haven't use windows since 98. I have switch my mom from windows to mac. Soon to Lite I hope.
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Jerry didn't mention (political) parties.
Your way to Linux Lite via podcasts and MacOS is unlikely to be duplicated often. But you're still welcome here, and so is your mother.
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Neither did bluezeo, party in this sentence means -
"A person or people forming one side in an agreement or dispute. ‘a contract between two parties’ "
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/party (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/party)
You may also need to look this one up -
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/facetious (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/facetious)
Converting anyone from Apple products is a desirable trait IMO, they are one of the most exploitative corporations out there.
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Jerry's analogy mentions how a political candidate goes about campaigning. bluezeo could mean he was neither a member of a small country town of 25 or a city of millions, but then why would that thought come close to putting him in a sour mood? bluezeo and I both live in the USA. We have two major political parties. And we are just two months into a new administration. It is likely that bluezeo is either happy about who won, but is disappointed in some things that are happening, or he is unhappy about who won and is disappointed in everything that is happening. That could lead him to a sour mood. Although he didn't explicitly mention political parties, I deduce that is what he was implying.
Neither Jerry nor I are saying that converting someone from Apple is undesirable. In fact, I specifically wrote that they are indeed welcome. They are just not the focus. And since Jerry has over 1.5 million documented downloads of this product, I give him some credit that he knows what he is doing.
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... Converting anyone from Apple products is a desirable trait IMO, they are one of the most exploitative corporations out there.
I came from Apple when they stopped supporting Power PC iMac's. I could have afforded to bought a new Apple computer but they made me mad >:( and I don't trust Apple to not do it again.
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@Coastie,
Anger. Discontent. I agree those are strong motivators for change. But where do we see that more? With Mac purchasers, or Windows users? Apple tends to have larger customer satisfaction and loyalty. There are more people using Windows. And I come across many who are either apathetic, reluctantly tolerant, or angry with Windows; and therefore, easier to convert. I think this is why they are the focus. They are the "low hanging fruit." People who listen to Linux podcasts or are Mac users are not. But they are still welcome.
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@torreydale
Agreed. Most Mac users, I know just buy new Mac products. I am just plain ornery.* ;D
* for those who don't understand Southern USA English http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ornery (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ornery)
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Neither Jerry nor I are saying that converting someone from Apple is undesirable. In fact, I specifically wrote that they are indeed welcome. They are just not the focus. And since Jerry has over 1.5 million documented downloads of this product, I give him some credit that he knows what he is doing.
Yes I understand, the focus is Windows users, like me. I can some days now use Linux Lite more than windows, depending what I am doing etc.
I know Jerry and the Devs know what they are doing and it is why I use the distro, like so many others who install Linux Lite do. The stats are good and it is positive that the distro is growing.
... Converting anyone from Apple products is a desirable trait IMO, they are one of the most exploitative corporations out there.
I came from Apple when they stopped supporting Power PC iMac's. I could have afforded to bought a new Apple computer but they made me mad >:( and I don't trust Apple to not do it again.
Great choice Coastie 8) :)
Do Apple users change more to Linux, than Windows ?
Sometimes when I search for commands, or tutorials, it has the versions for terminal in Linux, and Apple, it gave me the impression the transition may be good but I am not sure.
How was the transition from Apple to Linux for you ?
How did it compare to someone you came across who transitioned from Windows to Linux ?
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Great choice Coastie 8) :)
Do Apple users change more to Linux, than Windows ?
Sometimes when I search for commands, or tutorials, it has the versions for terminal in Linux, and Apple, it gave me the impression the transition may be good but I am not sure.
How was the transition from Apple to Linux for you ?
How did it compare to someone you came across who transitioned from Windows to Linux ?
The Apple users I know don't even think about changing to Windows or Linux. They just spend more money on a Mac without even considering anything else. Too much money and too little thinking. ;) Some Windows users I know have put Linux on their old computers.
I don't think I am exactly the typical Linux convert. I started using DOS with menus on my first computer to avoid using the terminal before putting Windows 3.1 on it. Back in the dark ages of about 2002 before cable internet, I tried MEPIS (Point & Click Linux) on my own for a little while. Then a guy I met at a Linux Users Group installed Fedora on my computer. I got scared off by updating by phone dial up internet, the Terminal, and Synaptic Package Manager. I gave up and went to XP. Even now Fedora is beyond my comfort level. I should have stuck with MEPIS. ;D I also tried OS/2 before getting a new computer with Windows 98 moving on to Windows XP. After getting my iMac, I still had to use Windows at work up to Windows XP Pro when I retired. The transition to Linux was not difficult. I still avoid the terminal as much as possible. I just copy and paste commands when I have to use it. I always say if I wanted to use the command line, I would have stayed with DOS. ;D When I moved to Linux permanently, I was use to updates from Apple and had cable internet. The last computer I bought came with Windows 8 with a free upgrade to Windows 10. I wiped it an put Linux Lite on it.
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... Converting anyone from Apple products is a desirable trait IMO, they are one of the most exploitative corporations out there.
I came from Apple when they stopped supporting Power PC iMac's. I could have afforded to bought a new Apple computer but they made me mad >:( and I don't trust Apple to not do it again.
Yeah, Apple alienated me too by cutting me off from more and more of my large library of Mac software, especially games. First was ending the possibility of booting into OS9, leaving me with the clunky and awful Classic environment. Second was cutting Classic altogether, ending any chance of running my OS9 apps. Although the transition to Intel was handled very well, with Rosetta, they then unnecessarily cut off access to PowerPC-era OSX apps by ending support for Rosetta. This was the final straw - there was no good reason for that. Rosetta obviously would be less and less of a drain on system resources as the Intel chips became more and more powerful and Macs came with more and more RAM. It was incredibly galling to end up being able to run ONLY the DOS or Windows versions of my old games and apps via Boxer or Crossover, and being TOTALLY unable to run my older Mac titles, on a Mac, after I had waited longer for the Mac versions, paid more, and in general made many sacrifices to support the Mac platform. With that, I left.
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People from all operating systems are welcome. No one should conclude that just because one isn't mentioned, they are not welcome. Windows generally gets the most mentions because they have 95% of the desktop market share.
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For me - I'm independent. I won't vote one party. I voted for the lesser evil. But for me it was JBS and youtubers like nerd on the street and Ostoday to really got me looking at options. I landed her by accident. I did an random USB pull when my old distribution broke.
God not dead! He roaring like an Lion.
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People from all operating systems are welcome. No one should conclude that just because one isn't mentioned, they are not welcome. Windows generally gets the most mentions because they have 95% of the desktop market share.
Anyone who has been on this forum for even a little while would never doubt that! :)
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Thank You Coastie, Carney, and bluezeo for explaining how the transition was for you to Linux.
Jerry, it has been nice to have seen all feel welcome on the forum, as it has been growing at an ever increasing speed.
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The topic may be something else but I have to mention everyone should give themselves the opportunity to listen to Unfilter from JBS. Interesting imo.
That show has expanded my views on many aspects of social and media engineering. If you follow the episodes they do show a unique aspect of the news and shows how they manufacture narratives. For example how al qaeda turned into Isis. I really don't want to turn the topic to this stuff but maybe if interested a friendly mention on where to turn to get exposed to this stuff without being lectured. I really don't watch the other shows but unfilter seems to grab my attention where I actually listen to the whole show. I have a very short attention span so that says alot.
Ok thats all.
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LinuxNoob unfilter is an good show mainly for cyber section for me but it been very helpful for my security habits
God not dead! He roaring like an Lion.