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Have you looked at the link I posted previously how they flash the firmware of CPU on laptops to remove UEFI to make it unclosed, can it be done to make high end gaming computers without UEFI, like you are seeking, or not ?
I'll take a closer look...
64bit OS (32-bit on Samsung netbook) installed in Legacy mode on MBR-formatted SSDs (except pi which uses a micro SDHC card):
2017 - Raspberry pi 3B (4cores) ~ [email protected] - LibreElec, used for upgrading our Samsung TV (excellent for the task)  
2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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Thank You for info about Pi boot from GPU with closed firmware :)   

Have you looked at the link I posted previously how they flash the firmware of CPU on laptops to remove UEFI to make it unclosed, can it be done to make high end gaming computers without UEFI, like you are seeking, or not ?
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Do Raspberry Pi clusters make it any better for gaming ?

I did a bit of searching on the internet and found that though you can build a supercomputer with a large Pi cluster,  and have great parallel-processing capability, it will be no good for high-end gaming.   

By the way the Pi has neither a  BIOS nor UEFI, appearing to function in quite a different manner at boot-up, the design of this being closed- rather than open-source ...
« Last Edit: August 28, 2017, 07:45:48 AM by m654321 »
64bit OS (32-bit on Samsung netbook) installed in Legacy mode on MBR-formatted SSDs (except pi which uses a micro SDHC card):
2017 - Raspberry pi 3B (4cores) ~ [email protected] - LibreElec, used for upgrading our Samsung TV (excellent for the task)  
2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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This it is a bit different
https://www.gchq.gov.uk/news-article/gchqs-raspberry-pi-bramble-exploring-future-computing
It was shown at a local fair here https://www.thebigbangfair.co.uk/
(also they involved the National Engineering Competition for Girls )

From reading it sounds like it can be possible to increase processing power, but not the processor on each board ?
Some how to behave a little like the multicore processor and multi threads, eg; how the each processor perform a task , or part of it/thread.
It would need to be coded the games for it like this principle -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porting
for that to work.
Commercial games maybe it won't give the coders who can do that the source code.
There may be Open Source games who would.
I don't know if there are any coders who do work on this, or if they already have done it even in the past, as I don't know about gaming.
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Do Raspberry Pi clusters make it any better for gaming ?

That's a good point ...
What I have seen with Raspberry Pi3 clusters, if I remember well, is that the RAM is additive, but the max CPU power is not.
So with a 64 x Pi3 cluster,  as shown in 
- max CPU power is still only 1.2 GHz
- total RAM will be 64 x 1GB = 64GB
- graphics quality greatly improved

I may be wrong here, but I think for high-end gaming, peak CPU power needs to be much much higher than 1.2Ghz.  Though the 64 x Pi3 cluster has great parallel processing capacity, I think it would be too slow for any demanding gaming - what do the rest of you think..?
 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2017, 02:59:32 AM by m654321 »
64bit OS (32-bit on Samsung netbook) installed in Legacy mode on MBR-formatted SSDs (except pi which uses a micro SDHC card):
2017 - Raspberry pi 3B (4cores) ~ [email protected] - LibreElec, used for upgrading our Samsung TV (excellent for the task)  
2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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Do Raspberry Pi clusters make it any better for gaming ?
 

 

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I think single-board computers, e.g. Raspberry Pi, are UEFI / Secure Boot free, though they are a bit low on spec for gaming ...
64bit OS (32-bit on Samsung netbook) installed in Legacy mode on MBR-formatted SSDs (except pi which uses a micro SDHC card):
2017 - Raspberry pi 3B (4cores) ~ [email protected] - LibreElec, used for upgrading our Samsung TV (excellent for the task)  
2012 - Lenovo G580 2689 (2cores; 4threads] ~ [email protected] - LL3.8/Win8.1 dual-boot (LL working smoothly)
2011 - Samsung NP-N145 Plus (1core; 2threads) ~ Intel Atom [email protected] - LL 3.8 32-bit (64-bit too 'laggy')
2008 - Asus X71Q (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6/Win8.1 dual-boot, LL works fine with kernel 4.15
2007 - Dell Latitude D630 (2cores) ~ Intel [email protected] - LL4.6, works well with kernel 4.4; 4.15 doesn't work
 

 

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Much appreciated!  Hope to be back soon.
 

 

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Yes I understand, I hope you get somewhere safe from the hurricane.
 

 

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Thanks for that, bitsnpcs. Looks good. Want to get deeper into this, but there is something
called HARVEY, a hurricane, headed towards my area. Maybe after? 
I am sure you understand.
 

 

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I haven't tried this company, there may be others providing the same/similar service but I have not found any yet.
https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-installation-service/

 

 

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Thanks! I did see that afterwards, and printed it and hope to have time to study it later.
The chromebooks are SSD and have 2 GBs of RAM, so perhaps there is a way. Great!
IF I could just boot a liveusb  of LL from them, I would be happy.  ;D


(And apologies if this hijacked a thread. Have been wanting to ask these questions for a while.)
 

 

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I'm asking this because I don't know, and it may help. Does anyone know what the bios is set for in Chromebooks? They may soon start showing up used.

There is someone here who has managed to convert an HP Chromebook over just recently...
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/other-17/touchpad-not-working-on-hp-chromebook/msg34558/?topicseen#msg34558
LL4.8 UEFI 64 bit ASUS E402W - AMD E2 (Quad) 1.5Ghz  - 4GB - AMD Mullins Radeon R2
LL5.8 UEFI 64 bit Test UEFI Kangaroo (Mobile Desktop) - Atom X5-Z8500 1.44Ghz - 2GB - Intel HD Graphics
LL4.8 64 bit HP 6005- AMD Phenom II X2 - 8GB - AMD/ATI RS880 (HD4200)
LL3.8 32 bit Dell Inspiron Mini - Atom N270 1.6Ghz - 1GB - Intel Mobile 945GSE Express  -- Shelved
BACK LL5.8 64 bit Dell Optiplex 160 (Thin) - Atom 230 1.6Ghz - 4GB-SiS 771/671 PCIE VGA - Print Server
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This is very interesting as I have two old Chromebooks that I would rather run Linux Lite on!
But this secure-boot they emphasize makes me think I would break them if I tried to turn them
into something useful. Chrome folks talk about CROUTON and dual-booting, but I would rather just boot a real operating system.
 

 

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what the bios is set for in Chromebooks?
They seem to use coreboot, though some of them have or can have added a BIOS like component called SeaBIOS - a bit of googling landed here.
 

 

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