My problems with Linux Lite so far, a brief summary of problems Linux Lite has.

[newtusmaximus]

" I'm just trying to help linux lite grow, suppose it came off in the wrong manner.  "

Lesson learned?? No harm done I am sure.  Welcome

[avj]

First off, I would like to thank you for your contributions so far, and welcome you to the forum. I think you should hang around, and see more of the development process, (Take in the whole picture), before passing judgement.  The development team, and the members of this community have put a lot of effort into making this one of the easiest Linux distributions to use for new comers.  I personally used perhaps a dozen or more distributions before finding Linux Lite, and I am very proud to be part of this community.  It is hard not to get defensive when someone "attacks" something you feel proud of.  That being said, an example usually works much better than criticism. 

[AdrianKoshka]

First off... Welcome to the Forums and what an entrance... 

My plugged nickle.... and to keep things brief...
I feel the DEVs include the community as a whole to some of the decisions and design of the OS. From items/apps that maybe included within, to the look and feel.  There are many threads devoted to enhancements of upcoming releases as well as quirks.

You have just recently registered, maybe you've looked through forums, maybe you peered at the manual, I assume you've installed the software and want to suggest how you can make it better... GREAT!! go for it, by all means have those conversations with the DEVs/Admin - conversations.... Converse, suggest, input and contribute...

Make sure you understand the premise/mission of Linux Lite?


To me it does look like you went off blasting (just my take) but hey... As mentioned Bold letters, caps, overly large fonts taken as shouting, and...

NOTE: DON'T GET BUTTHURT READING THIS, KEEP YOUR COOL, I'M BEING SERIOUS

You knew in the way that you were going about things that you were going to upset folks. 
Its like one of my kids saying... Don't get mad but....

  Oh and you can't use words like butthurt and be taken serious.... LOL maybe I'm old 


There are TONs of distro's out there... Are there better...? Are there worse..?? SURE... but to what extent...
Its not the distro - its the users, without users there is no distro...

Maybe everyone else is doing it wrong???

Aside from a great Linux distro, Jerry and team have tweaked and modified LL to a point that Windows users can pick up and go with LL..
Now add that they can do this on the same system that was running XP...

Is this the best premise??? Maybe not if you want to be cutting edge - but its how I how I got here..

Please don't misinterpret any criticism. We all start somewhere, anything and everything can be learning moment...

Thanks for the welcome! I know I did seem to come off quite brash and a bit rude.

[firenice03]

First off... Welcome to the Forums and what an entrance... 

My plugged nickle.... and to keep things brief...
I feel the DEVs include the community as a whole to some of the decisions and design of the OS. From items/apps that maybe included within, to the look and feel.  There are many threads devoted to enhancements of upcoming releases as well as quirks.

You have just recently registered, maybe you've looked through forums, maybe you peered at the manual, I assume you've installed the software and want to suggest how you can make it better... GREAT!! go for it, by all means have those conversations with the DEVs/Admin - conversations.... Converse, suggest, input and contribute...

Make sure you understand the premise/mission of Linux Lite?


To me it does look like you went off blasting (just my take) but hey... As mentioned Bold letters, caps, overly large fonts taken as shouting, and...

NOTE: DON'T GET BUTTHURT READING THIS, KEEP YOUR COOL, I'M BEING SERIOUS

You knew in the way that you were going about things that you were going to upset folks. 
Its like one of my kids saying... Don't get mad but....

  Oh and you can't use words like butthurt and be taken serious.... LOL maybe I'm old 


There are TONs of distro's out there... Are there better...? Are there worse..?? SURE... but to what extent...
Its not the distro - its the users, without users there is no distro...

Maybe everyone else is doing it wrong???

Aside from a great Linux distro, Jerry and team have tweaked and modified LL to a point that Windows users can pick up and go with LL..
Now add that they can do this on the same system that was running XP...

Is this the best premise??? Maybe not if you want to be cutting edge - but its how I how I got here..

Please don't misinterpret any criticism. We all start somewhere, anything and everything can be learning moment...

[AdrianKoshka]

I will be commenting on this thread, but only after the community has had their say, so that I don't appear to influence anyone's point of view. Cheers.

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Thanks!

[AdrianKoshka]

Jesus Christ dude! Let Jerry and the team do what they want to do. It's their github account. Who are you to say what they should do.

To AdrianKoshka:
As this is more a personal experience and/or opinion and/or personal view it's good to see that you took the time to write down your comments. Just a hint, next time don't add all those big bold lines as it looks like you're shouting. I think some might be worth looking at by the LL team. Other's might come down as just a personal experience.

As i learned over the years, Linux will never come in a package and configuration you like and want.

I agree, no one distortion of Linux can be perfect, I'm just trying to help linux lite grow, suppose it came off in the wrong manner. 

[AdrianKoshka]

In my day to day life I do Business Analysis, Project Management, Requirements Gathering et al.
There are many "standards" and "methods" for doing these things, But some times you have to deviate from the "ideal" standards & methods.

Everybody will have an opinion on what is, what isn't the best/right way to move forward, in this case LL Development/Management.

As an outside observer(and user) of LL I'm not "technically" qualified to comment on is it being done correctly.?
What I can say, "as a user of LL" is what ever process is being used appears to be working...
I would hate to see LL get bogged down, stumble just because it "appears" to be not following a certain way of doing things.

Ultimately it's down to the owner & developers of LL to make the "right call"


Do they feel comfortable in their methods/approach, and what are the risks.?

Just my 2p/c worth...

I can totally agree with you. Thanks for the feedback!

[nomko]

Jesus Christ dude! Let Jerry and the team do what they want to do. It's their github account. Who are you to say what they should do.

And who are you to silence other's when they express their opinion and/or personal view?

To AdrianKoshka:
As this is more a personal experience and/or opinion and/or personal view it's good to see that you took the time to write down your comments. Just a hint, next time don't add all those big bold lines as it looks like you're shouting. I think some might be worth looking at by the LL team. Other's might come down as just a personal experience.

As i learned over the years, Linux will never come in a package and configuration you like and want. Some users distro hop for months experimenting with any distro out there before they can choose the distro that meet their requirements the closed. As i'm used to Linux Mint, i feel that some good options the Mint team added in the Linux Mint distro is completely missing in Linux Lite, and visa versa. I'm using LL since some time but it shoot me back into learning mode while with Mint i was an experienced user. Every distro has it's con's and pro's, it's up to you to decide which distro suits your needs the most.

[shaggytwodope]

In my day to day life I do Business Analysis, Project Management, Requirements Gathering et al.
There are many "standards" and "methods" for doing these things, But some times you have to deviate from the "ideal" standards & methods.

Everybody will have an opinion on what is, what isn't the best/right way to move forward, in this case LL Development/Management.

As an outside observer(and user) of LL I'm not "technically" qualified to comment on is it being done correctly.?
What I can say, "as a user of LL" is what ever process is being used appears to be working...
I would hate to see LL get bogged down, stumble just because it "appears" to be not following a certain way of doing things.

Ultimately it's down to the owner & developers of LL to make the "right call"
Do they feel comfortable in their methods/approach, and what are the risks.?

Just my 2p/c worth...

Sorta reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/ lol

[Jerry]

I will be commenting on this thread, but only after the community has had their say, so that I don't appear to influence anyone's point of view. Cheers.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

[Wirezfree]

In my day to day life I do Business Analysis, Project Management, Requirements Gathering et al.
There are many "standards" and "methods" for doing these things, But some times you have to deviate from the "ideal" standards & methods.

Everybody will have an opinion on what is, what isn't the best/right way to move forward, in this case LL Development/Management.

As an outside observer(and user) of LL I'm not "technically" qualified to comment on is it being done correctly.?
What I can say, "as a user of LL" is what ever process is being used appears to be working...
I would hate to see LL get bogged down, stumble just because it "appears" to be not following a certain way of doing things.

Ultimately it's down to the owner & developers of LL to make the "right call"
Do they feel comfortable in their methods/approach, and what are the risks.?

Just my 2p/c worth...

[AdrianKoshka]

Thanks for your feeeback! Also I want to state I do want to help with the development of Linux Lite and help fix the things I stated, and I understand it's a project done in free time. Though I still stand by what I've said. I thought the public approach would be better to be entirely honest, instead instead of keeping it "under wraps" and to a select group of people.

[newtusmaximus]

  Adrian,
As a user of LL and linux newbie, I have very little to no understanding of what goes on "under the hood" All I can do is appreciate the time and effort that has been given freely to get this project off the ground and the commitment to develop “easy” path for newbies like myself to migrate to Linux.
There are always ways to improve and it is refreshing when new eyes look at what has been done and can make helpful suggestions and put their contribution to the process.
However I do think that the way it is initiated is always a sensitive matter.  Your contribution would have been more diplomatic by contacting Jerry direct and with not such a blunt  “public” approach.
The amount of work / thought you have put into your structured appraisal / critique is acknowledged (github),  and I for one hope that you can find a way to put that enthusiasm into the project, but as a team member and in a collaborative manner..
My layman's 2C worth

[shaggytwodope]

Jesus Christ dude! Let Jerry and the team do what they want to do. It's their github account. Who are you to say what they should do. It isn't your project. Get over it. Be at least a *little* thankful that the team is taking time away from their families to develop this distro for the benefit of the community. Seriously!

I understand your intentions of trying to improve upon the development process, but there is a clear line between friendly suggestions & improvements, and elitist demands & personal preferences. This leads more toward the elitist side, and organization is a personal preference thing, for the most part. However,  some of the improvements you mention are definitely worthwhile to implement in the future. Brutally criticizing the Lite team isn't going help the project, or help get those problems fixed.

If you want to improve for them & join the team, by all means, DO IT. You'll be helping a great cause for a great purpose.

¿If any moderators/admins are reading, close the thread for further discussion, maybe?

Typed & Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 [SM-N900T] using the Tapatalk Android app.

To be totally fair... everything you said is a personal view. Of which we should all respect. But there is nothing wrong with honestly or opinions... if you start silencing people then you be come the jerks imo.

As long as the language remains within reason, I see no need to censor people.. remember we're all about Linux and opensource. Part of which is debate and criticism.

[Teddy]

Jesus Christ dude! Let Jerry and the team do what they want to do. It's their github account. Who are you to say what they should do. It isn't your project. Get over it. Be at least a *little* thankful that the team is taking time away from their families to develop this distro for the benefit of the community. Seriously!

I understand your intentions of trying to improve upon the development process, but there is a clear line between friendly suggestions & improvements, and elitist demands & personal preferences. This leads more toward the elitist side, and organization is a personal preference thing, for the most part. However,  some of the improvements you mention are definitely worthwhile to implement in the future. Brutally criticizing the Lite team isn't going help the project, or help get those problems fixed.

If you want to improve for them & join the team, by all means, DO IT. You'll be helping a great cause for a great purpose.

¿If any moderators/admins are reading, close the thread for further discussion, maybe?

Typed & Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 [SM-N900T] using the Tapatalk Android app.