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Title: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on April 03, 2017, 03:16:15 AM
@ralphy have noticed a strange anomaly. If the file /usr/local/sbin/.updnotify exists, Lite Updates Notify will not show the desktop notification. If the /usr/local/sbin/.updnotify file does not exist, the notification works fine:

 https://mega.nz/#!wIljxZSa!3Z1QEsgDHbck5LbgLa0k4H4eT4_2b9Br9mtBCz36r0Y
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: ralphy on April 03, 2017, 03:29:14 AM
@ralphy have noticed a strange anomaly. If the file /usr/local/sbin/.updnotify exists, Lite Updates Notify will not show the desktop notification. If the /usr/local/sbin/.updnotify file does not exist, the notification works fine:

 https://mega.nz/#!wIljxZSa!3Z1QEsgDHbck5LbgLa0k4H4eT4_2b9Br9mtBCz36r0Y

That is intentional behavior; that's what we agreed upon. To show "Up to date" just once and not to nag the user until there is new updates available:

https://github.com/linuxlite/liteupdatesnotify/issues/6#issuecomment-267248005
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on April 03, 2017, 03:34:01 AM
Thanks for the reminder.

(https://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4318634.jpg)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 03, 2017, 11:34:39 AM
The update notifier is not working for me either. I have set it a couple of times for once day but it never gives me notifications. I continue to check daily manually by Install Updates which finds updates but I do not get notifications from the new app. No big deal. I wait for an update to fix it.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: firenice03 on April 03, 2017, 11:45:40 AM
I've seen it a couple times.. Its tricky as the message is brief. It's a popup (upper right corner for me) lasts only a couple of seconds then goes away. Having been up at midnight past couple nights I have seen it :)

Perhaps setting to the "hourly" mark you may catch it :)
Not sure if this would work, don't see why not - set hourly then manually change clock to a couple minutes before the next hour and wait...  8) 8)

It's brief - As when you boot a laptop and it connects to WiFi the popup only last for a few, same way...

Perhaps having the message appear and stay until clicked on to hide??
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: ralphy on April 03, 2017, 12:10:12 PM
Ok guys, let's help each other here to figure it out. First, let's be clear about how Lite Updates Notify works:

https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/software.html#updatesnotify

Quote
Lite Updates Notify will check for new updates on shcedule as defined by the user. If no new updates are available since the last time updates were installed in the system, Lite Updates Notify will notify that the system is up to date, once. No further notifications are displayed up until new updates become available once again.

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To customize how notifications appear on your screen, see Menu, All Settings, Notifications to define notifications theme, timeout, position on the screen and opacity. You must restart the session (logout and login) for notifications settings to take effect.

A quick way to check whether Lite updates notify is working in your system as it should:

Terminal:

Code: [Select]
sudo rm /usr/local/sbin/.updnotify
bash /usr/local/sbin/updatesnotify-launcher    (Notification, your system is up to date should pop up ONCE)
bash /usr/local/sbin/updatesnotify-launcher    (No notification should pop-up the second time)

Repeat all 3 commands to test over again.

https://youtu.be/WyDOEMvqQ64
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 03, 2017, 01:46:07 PM
OK. I tried the commands and the notifications showed up. I reset notifications from 5 to 10 seconds so I will see if it will do it own its on tomorrow. Deja Dup back up is set to daily and I always see the notifications. Can Notify be set in autostart to show if LL is up to date at start up?
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: TMG1961 on April 03, 2017, 03:49:58 PM
I had it set at daily at 7pm, but problem is that i am almost never at the laptop at that time and i never saw the notification later in the evening when i was at laptop. So i now disabled it.

Is it maybe possible that the user can set another time then the times that are given?
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 03, 2017, 04:12:38 PM
TMG1961 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/profile/?u=3473), that the same setting I have. Maybe it could just be checked at startup like I do manually?
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: TMG1961 on April 03, 2017, 04:17:47 PM
TMG1961 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/profile/?u=3473), that the same setting I have. Maybe it could just be checked at startup like I do manually?

I now do it as i did on 3.2, i check for updates just before i shut down laptop when going to bed.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: humdinger70 on April 03, 2017, 06:04:40 PM
I wish it behaved more like Linux Mint did it.  :)

It placed an icon in the desktop bar at the bottom of the screen. if there were no updates, it would display an icon with a check mark in it. If there were updates, the icon had an exclamation point in it. And it should remain sticky and always viewable.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 03, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Old sayings that great minds run in same channels, TMG1961 (https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/profile/?u=3473).  ;)   I'll just keep doing that too until or if it gets fixed. I have gotten so use to doing it manually,  I probably will keep doing it even if notify is fixed to be sure it is working.  ;D It will be useful for newbies.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 07, 2017, 12:32:30 PM
Lite Updates Notify is still not working even after last update show it was updated? Checked Application Autostart and it is not there. Should it be there?  :-\ If it is, what is the command?
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 11, 2017, 01:26:16 PM
I was on the computer last night at 7 PM and the notification update did appeared to report updates were available. Could it be made to check at daily startup like Deja Dup and the Linux Lite widget which start daily at startup?  :-\
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on April 11, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
@Coastie that's not something we're looking at. The application is designed and functions along certain lines. There are enough options there to suit all situations. Setting checks to hourly ensures you would nearly never miss a notification. Remember, if there are no updates, you will only get one notification to tell you so, then there will be no more notifications until there are some updates available. There is no autostart option for the reasons given above.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on April 11, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
I wish it behaved more like Linux Mint did it.  :)

It placed an icon in the desktop bar at the bottom of the screen. if there were no updates, it would display an icon with a check mark in it. If there were updates, the icon had an exclamation point in it. And it should remain sticky and always viewable.

I don't know how often Mint checks for updates, you would have to inspect the code, it may even be more than every hour, like every 2 or 3 hours. Having a constantly viewable icon is purely psychological in that it reassures people that an application is there and 'doing things'. Our application still does things, the main difference is that it doesn't show until it needs to, ensuring you are not distracted unless it is absolutely necessary. Simple, fast and free ;) (with minimal distraction)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on April 12, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
@Jerry, either way this is not a problem for me. I have gotten accustom to checking daily for updates on my own and don't need it. I am just thinking about this because Lite Updates Notify will be helpful to newbies to Linux and will not be a benefit that other distros have to tempt newbies from using Linux Lite.

The hourly option like you say is probably the best and maybe the default option if does cause a problem for computers with only a small amount of RAM. Hourly may have been the default option but I don't remember now.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: ralphy on May 07, 2017, 01:22:09 PM
I wish it behaved more like Linux Mint did it.  :)

It placed an icon in the desktop bar at the bottom of the screen. if there were no updates, it would display an icon with a check mark in it. If there were updates, the icon had an exclamation point in it. And it should remain sticky and always viewable.

@humdinger70 how about something like this?  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/pnWLJD4.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/GdoOe9P.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Lp5aTi8.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/oCtfBCp.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/NDusZjI.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/3zGwC1T.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/B5lzgmr.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7KNuH6k.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/dX85iIl.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ceWEvZF.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/zK2mD0N.png)

I'm gonna finish it up n my spare time and then I'll share it in my blog so that those interested in having an Update Manager Center can get it.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on May 07, 2017, 11:17:45 PM
Quote
I wish it behaved more like Linux Mint did it.  :)

It placed an icon in the desktop bar at the bottom of the screen. if there were no updates, it would display an icon with a check mark in it. If there were updates, the icon had an exclamation point in it. And it should remain sticky and always viewable.

I have some mixed emotions about this.  When I was newer to Linux, Mint confused me on the updates issue.  I had no idea what I should select or not select to update.  The numbering system was offputting, etc.  Coming from Windows, I was just used to updating everything.  To know what library (or in the case of Windows, what DLL) to update or ignore was too much for me.  I wouldn't expect non-techie friends or family to know either.  It's always been easier to just tell them to be consistent with running the Install Updates utility.  And now that the 3.x series installs security updates to the kernel, I only have to add that they remove the old kernels every month or so using Lite Tweaks.  Training them on update levels 1-5 is going to be a turnoff for them and me.  If we go this route to appease those already familiar with Linux Mint, I say it should remain the advanced option, and the default option remain what we have now.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on May 07, 2017, 11:22:41 PM
We're not porting Mint Updates, period. This is something Ralphy chooses to do in his spare time, on his own website.
We have a point and click option that works, and is easy to use without any user interaction that could end up in bad decisions being made.

(http://www.troll.me/images/why-you-no-guy-c/why-you-no-keep-it-simple-thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: ralphy on May 07, 2017, 11:57:53 PM
@torreydale, what @Jerry said  :D

Linux Lite has a simple point and click option that works. That's what goes in our distro and that's what our guidelines requires. I'm doing this on my spare time as a hobby and not because we expect to replace our own solution. Nothing to worry about :)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on May 08, 2017, 12:05:15 AM
... We have a point and click option that works, and is easy to use without any user interaction that could end up in bad decisions being made.

Thanks, @Jerry , for keeping it simple! The mint update system is confusing to me. I rather trust you and whoever else decides what update are needed. I don't even want to mess with kernel updates until they come with the regular updates.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on May 08, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
@Coastie,

For the record, kernel security updates do come with the regular updates in the 3.x series. 
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: TMG1961 on May 08, 2017, 03:24:40 AM
Thanks Jerry and Ralphy for keeping the update system as it is.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on May 08, 2017, 03:31:45 AM
@everyone you're welcome :)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on May 08, 2017, 12:48:41 PM
Never mind. I keep getting this message:

Forbidden You don't have permission to access /forums/linux-lite-software-development/ on this server.
 
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: humdinger70 on May 08, 2017, 08:16:38 PM
I'd like to see what you had in reply #17 above. But I'm not going to insist on it.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on May 08, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
Nothing important. I was just agreeing with torredale about the kernel updating was what I posted before. The forum was not cooperating   :(

If I put type the at symbol, I get the error message.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: ralphy on May 09, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
I wish it behaved more like Linux Mint did it.  :)

It placed an icon in the desktop bar at the bottom of the screen. if there were no updates, it would display an icon with a check mark in it. If there were updates, the icon had an exclamation point in it. And it should remain sticky and always viewable.

@humdinger70 I've pushed mintupdate-lite to my server. (https://unlockforus.com/update-manager-linux-lite-3-x-series/)

(http://i.imgur.com/JElqbAG.jpg)

Have fun!
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 03, 2017, 02:53:56 AM
New feature coming - report number of kernels installed and recommend removal to free up space:

(https://i.imgur.com/0hsrku2.png)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Coastie on October 03, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
Linux Lite just keeps getting better and better!  ;D
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 03, 2017, 11:24:22 AM
That is a great idea.  One less thing to manually explain.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 12, 2017, 03:47:56 AM
New feature coming - report number of kernels installed and recommend removal to free up space:

(https://i.imgur.com/0hsrku2.png)

Update now available.

In another application update, Install Updates will fix the boot splash automatically if the any Ubuntu packages try to mess with us :)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 13, 2017, 12:23:49 PM
The count I get on this is off.  It said I had double digit kernels installed.  I had one version (granted with 4 entries to be removed).  I removed that version.  Lite Updates Notify still told me there were several installed and suggested I use Lite Tweaks to remove them.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM

I see this:

  (http://imgur.com/LGAtC3nl.png)
 (http://i.imgur.com/LGAtC3n.png)


and this at the same time:


  (http://imgur.com/rDENCM5l.png)
 (http://i.imgur.com/rDENCM5.png)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 13, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
Thanks. Later on today I'll ask you to provide some specific information to look into this. Please keep things as they are for now if that is OK.

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Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: trinidad on October 13, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
Probably needs to be tied to update-initramfs.

TC
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 13, 2017, 11:48:04 PM
@torreydale can you please screenshot your /lib/modules folder.
Also please screenshot your /boot folder.

Can you please also provide the output of:

Code: [Select]
ls /boot/ | grep vmlinuz | wc -l
Thank you.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 14, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
@Jerry ,




  (http://imgur.com/IFy1djll.png)
 (http://i.imgur.com/IFy1djl.png)
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 14, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
Do you have the screenshots too?

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Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 14, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
@Jerry ,

Sorry to overlook that.  They are below.



  (http://imgur.com/Uon3Adjl.png)
 (http://i.imgur.com/Uon3Adj.png)




  (http://imgur.com/FiOSqE9l.png)
 (http://i.imgur.com/FiOSqE9.png)



Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 15, 2017, 01:32:07 AM
Thanks torreydale. I've uploaded an updated package. Please run Install Updates to get it. If on the next update notification you get no reports of Kernels to remove, we can call this fixed :)

When a kernel is removed, you should have no left over folders in /lib/modules. That's a little strange that you have all those left over folders.
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: trinidad on October 15, 2017, 08:57:04 AM
torreydale,

Do you have, or have you had multiple (sudo) users on this partiicular OS? Have you backed up multiple times? Sorry to interrupt but something has cuased the kernel folders to remain rather than purge. Perhaps saved sessions? Active journaling logs?

TC
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: Jerry on October 15, 2017, 09:26:36 AM
Your input is always welcome.

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Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 16, 2017, 09:42:21 AM
@Jerry ,
I installed the latest updates.  The /lib/modules folders remain. 

@trinidad ,
I don't have any other sudo users on the computer.  I only backup grsync, and I make restore points via Systemback.

Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: trinidad on October 16, 2017, 10:08:15 AM
@torreydale
Is this current system using nvidia card? It may be that that oldest kernel 3.13 will not purge completely without removing nvidia along with it. The newest kernel will override that of course and prevent nvidia from beng purged. The old mod folders may all be there because of that. You may need some kind of conditional command to solve this. See this old link below. Just a thought. I have had problems with nvidia purging on a few machines.

https://markmcb.com/2013/02/04/cleanup-unused-linux-kernels-in-ubuntu/

TC
 
Title: Re: Lite Updates Notify
Post by: torreydale on October 16, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
@trinidad ,
The current system is not using an nvidia card.  It has an Intel integrated graphics card.