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Development => Linux Lite Software Development => Topic started by: Jerry on May 22, 2021, 07:10:35 PM

Title: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 22, 2021, 07:10:35 PM
I am seriously considering doing this. Stripped down version of Lite where the user gets to choose:

Web browser
Email client
Firewall
Office Suite
Partitioner
PDF viewer
Media player
Photo editor
Photo manager
Scan software
Back up software
etc

Base files and drivers will stay intact as per usual - to ensure wide hardware compatibility.
Start up and shutdown as you could imagine are ridiculously quick.

Should I do this? Main Linux Lite release will remain unchanged.

(https://i.imgur.com/SDByob5.gif)
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 22, 2021, 08:02:54 PM
Will live mode be available too? I like it, I don't know the rest, but I think it is a good idea :045:. It gives users more freedom of choice when it comes to the software they want to install and use in their OS.  Two suggestions only: add whisker menu, and disable lite update to auto-start at boot. :)
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 22, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
Will live mode be available too?

Yes, nothing changes other than software that's missing from Menu compared to standard LL. Lite Update has already been removed (see tray in above gif) Whisker Menu adds a lot of ram and the whole idea of 'core' is to remove anything that is NOT required and simplify everything else to it's 'core'
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Artim on May 22, 2021, 08:39:17 PM
Just label it "for more experienced users" or something like that. I would choose Geary over Thunderbird, Brave over Firefox, perhaps Abiword instead of LibreOffice, etc. Maybe Lite Core" would be awesome!
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 22, 2021, 10:18:19 PM
Just label it "for more experienced users" or something like that. I would choose Geary over Thunderbird, Brave over Firefox, perhaps Abiword instead of LibreOffice, etc. Maybe Lite Core" would be awesome!

There should be at least 5 -6 choices for each category.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 23, 2021, 08:53:00 AM
Will live mode be available too?

Yes, nothing changes other than software that's missing from Menu compared to standard LL.

Good! :)

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Lite Update has already been removed (see tray in above gif)
Ah, yes, now I see(don't see it)that. By the way, having a second look at that gif, I noticed in the terminal "7 Gib out of 20 used, 38% of disk space". That looks like a bit too much for a core edition, or is there more stuff in besides the OS? Stuff like music, documents ...

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Whisker Menu adds a lot of ram and the whole idea of 'core' is to remove anything that is NOT required and simplify everything else to it's 'core'
Didn't think about that, you're right.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 24, 2021, 03:54:32 AM

I noticed in the terminal "7 Gib out of 20 used, 38% of disk space". That looks like a bit too much for a core edition, or is there more stuff in besides the OS? Stuff like music, documents ...


It's my standard VM config, I don't really pay attention to the specs, other than making sure I never run out of resources. Better to over-cater at a wedding than to under-cater.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: newtusmaximus on May 24, 2021, 10:40:31 AM
Lite Core:  Yes please - optional addons Lite optimised and in "Lite Software" menu.  The more the merrier so the "uninitiated" ( such as myself) can mix and match as needed.  Lean and Mean starter.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on May 24, 2021, 11:12:40 AM
A thought....

"I installed Lite Core - How do I make it LL Full???" or "Have core now want full".....

I know core is LL less the add-ons...
Could "Lite Software" include those added packages/features? Or a "Lite Core Converter" to add the options??
Else, is the answer to install the full version....

Just thinking, depending how difficult that could be....
Or maybe a tag "Core version for those familiar with Linux and prefer to customize their own"....


*For the Windows refugees who might not understand the differences??

I do like the idea of a Core :) Kudos @Jerry
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: tek10 on May 24, 2021, 11:53:08 PM
Lite Core sounds great and would be something I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: j8a on May 26, 2021, 09:20:53 AM
Hi @Jerry ,
I have run LL for a couple of years and my humble opinion is that every piece of software is well choseen and every user could change that.

I wonder whether you could give us more freedom and choices with Lite Core, sounds good.

Regards,
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 26, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
A thought....

"I installed Lite Core - How do I make it LL Full???" or "Have core now want full".....

Well,  people should know better; lite core = no full LL. So download full LL instead.

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Could "Lite Software" include those added packages/features? Or a "Lite Core Converter" to add the options??
Else, is the answer to install the full version....

I have a similar thought, maybe some kind of "profiles", but then I don't know how much extra-work would that imply, besides, what's the fun on using a "Lite Core" edition, if you take the "core" out of it? ;)
Back in 2017, I suggested a similar approach, though a bit "more extreme"  :011: https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/suggestions-and-feedback/linux-lite-3-8-suggestions-welcomed/msg37136/#msg37136
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on May 26, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
A thought....

"I installed Lite Core - How do I make it LL Full???" or "Have core now want full".....

Well,  people should know better; lite core = no full LL. So download full LL instead.


True, just thinking out loud... Thinking of those coming to Linux for the 1st time... Not as bad as having various XFCE, KDE, MATE etc. versions but I could see the question...


Or maybe an something in the repo?? to get/install like say ,,,
Code: [Select]
apt install LL_Full

But again, for it to be viable, it would need to be easily maintained...
or maybe the answer is... hey sorry, you installed the core please install the full for the full Linux Lite OS experience   :011:
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 27, 2021, 01:40:55 AM
I'll modify the Lite Software code to be the software-of-choice installer. Around 5 choices per category, 5 Web Browsers, 5 Media players etc. Creating a upgrade-to-full seems like a waste of code and time, if they want full LL, that solution has been provided. Lite Core would also have a separate website, because nearly half of our current visitors use an ad-blocker, I'm viewing this as a possible route to 'double' ad revenue which will allow me to go full time. Then watch this project explode with Translations etc.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: firenice03 on May 27, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
I'll modify the Lite Software code to be the software-of-choice installer. Around 5 choices per category, 5 Web Browsers, 5 Media players etc. Creating a upgrade-to-full seems like a waste of code and time, if they want full LL, that solution has been provided. Lite Core would also have a separate website, because nearly half of our current visitors use an ad-blocker, I'm viewing this as a possible route to 'double' ad revenue which will allow me to go full time. Then watch this project explode with Translations etc.

I LIKE IT  :54:


If the added work out weighs the few minutes to install.... then it makes sense...  :bow





Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: useful on May 27, 2021, 09:14:33 PM
Take a closer look at the purpose of cooperation.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/runtu/files/
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 28, 2021, 10:02:48 AM
Take a closer look at the purpose of cooperation.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/runtu/files/

How is this exactly related to Lite Core or even Linux Lite for that matter? Short answer: It is not!
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: useful on May 28, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Runtu XFCE is a Linux Lite analog.
Runtu Lite is the equivalent of Lite Core.
In my opinion. ;)
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: trinidad on May 28, 2021, 02:38:11 PM
Another category to consider adding in Lite software would be system rescue and repair and some small forensics tools like: system and boot rescue utilities, uefi utilities, nmap, wireshark, scalpel, etc.

TC   
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 28, 2021, 02:39:08 PM
Runtu XFCE is a Linux Lite analog.
Runtu Lite is the equivalent of Lite Core.
In my opinion. ;)

Maybe so, but the site being in Russian doesn't help to get that. Though now that I took a scond look at the screnshots on SF, I get why you say that

(https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/runtu/screenshots/TEMP-2012-07-18-14-38-06.png/max/max/1)

It kind of "looks" like Lite Core, except it doesn't use xfwm4 but openbox, pcmanfm instead of thunar, lxde panel for xfce4-panel.   
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Litefan on May 28, 2021, 03:52:11 PM
I would be interested in Lite Core, so that is another vote in favour.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: torreydale on May 29, 2021, 10:53:13 AM
@Jerry
I think the user was making a point about the 7GB, not the 20GB.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on May 29, 2021, 01:07:01 PM
@Jerry
I think the user was making a point about the 7GB, not the 20GB.

Yes, exactly. I was referring to the fact that for a Core edition, it took 7 GiB of space in the disk, which IMHO seems like much given the fact that Core is a reduced Linux Lite instance, thus it should need less space, unless there are other stuff like music, downloads, documents, pictures and the like which would explain the "extra" space used in the disk as well, otherwise ...  I would expect Lite Core to need no more than 2-3 GiB of disk space to install.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on May 29, 2021, 01:33:50 PM
Safe to ignore in a VM. That extra space is taken up by the ISO building process.

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Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on June 01, 2021, 12:21:35 PM
Like mentionned, if the apps/software from Full are all available trough Lite Software, that would be great.
I would vote to leave Firewall for security reasons and Partitionning software too because seems more "OS" then app.

I'll install Whiskers from there, since I "need" it. ;)
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on June 04, 2021, 10:28:52 AM
This might sound like a "wild" idea, but what about having some "insider program" like thing for Lite Core? Having some users to try and use Lite Core before any RC, so they can provide better feedback on most relevant features and settings.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on June 04, 2021, 11:07:03 PM
Well I have two suggestions. wish? ;)
1. Be able to burn on a CD... A challenge to Jerry ? Dun dun dunnnn!
2. Have only ONE background image with the Linux Lite leaf in the form of a wire frame mesh
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on June 05, 2021, 04:58:07 PM
Well I have two suggestions. wish? ;)
1. Be able to burn on a CD... A challenge to Jerry ? Dun dun dunnnn!
2. Have only ONE background image with the Linux Lite leaf in the form of a wire frame mesh

1. Yup no worries, if we use Enlightenment as the DE :)
2. Changing the original logo is highly risky, I'd have to give that some serious consideration.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on June 05, 2021, 04:59:18 PM
This might sound like a "wild" idea, but what about having some "insider program" like thing for Lite Core? Having some users to try and use Lite Core before any RC, so they can provide better feedback on most relevant features and settings.

Like the main LL, Core will likely have an RC.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on June 05, 2021, 05:01:48 PM
Like mentionned, if the apps/software from Full are all available trough Lite Software, that would be great.
I would vote to leave Firewall for security reasons and Partitionning software too because seems more "OS" then app.

I'll install Whiskers from there, since I "need" it. ;)

Firewall will be a part of the choices Menu, people seem divided on GUFW and FirewallD for example. With Core, 2 apps doing the same job would be like an overweight person insisting they are skinny (Gnome Disks looks after this task).
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: TheDead on June 05, 2021, 05:59:29 PM
Thanks for all those anwsers Jerry!
Yeah... no, forget the burn to CD idea then, XFCE is a must, even in Lili Core. ;)

Thinking about Trinidad ;) ... would using the Debian version Ubuntu is based on be worth it considering.
I know I'm speaking through my hat not even knowing if Debian has an LTS version but I mean would the ressources/size and workaround to compensate for lost Ubuntu functions break the project?

Could a stupid question, you don't have to go into details, you can tell me "Sit down n00b!" ;)

Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on June 06, 2021, 09:08:13 AM
This might sound like a "wild" idea, but what about having some "insider program" like thing for Lite Core? Having some users to try and use Lite Core before any RC, so they can provide better feedback on most relevant features and settings.

Like the main LL, Core will likely have an RC.

What I meant is having some users try and use Lite Core before any RC release.
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Jerry on June 06, 2021, 07:27:06 PM

What I meant is having some users try and use Lite Core before any RC release.


What is the reason please?
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: Moltke on June 06, 2021, 09:16:30 PM

What I meant is having some users try and use Lite Core before any RC release.


What is the reason please?

Provide better feedback regarding features and settings, yes, I know RCs are meant with that same purpose, but I just think it would be a good idea having some of the more "experienced" users(selected by you)to try and use Lite Core prior to any RC release, given it is a "Core" edition, thus they might see things( LL's target audience might not)and suggest ways to improve it. Just a thought.     :55:
Title: Re: Lite Core - Suggestions welcomed
Post by: newtusmaximus on June 07, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
Happy to use core  starter on this twin core Fuji Si1520.  Currently on L5.4. 3 GB Ram .  Starting to struggle a bit.  Hopefully CORE approach would overcome this.  Fairly early adopter of LL (2014?.