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Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2018, 01:02:18 AM »
 

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Jerry,

I have a suggestion.  Could you pin a post at the top of the forums in regards to the UEFI issue so people don't have to scour the forum for answers?  You would just have to do it one time.  You could then paste the link for that post in  any posts regarding UEFI.
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #84 on: April 03, 2018, 11:45:03 PM »
 

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@SleepyD to be honest, I've answered that question so many times on these Forums, it's getting to the point where I'm done with the subject. There is more at stake here than limiting a market. I would gladly sacrifice popularity for ethics.
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #83 on: April 03, 2018, 11:36:01 PM »
 

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Jerry,

May I ask what is your opposition to having UEFI compatibility for Linux Lite?  Linux Lite has non free software so I know that cannot be the reason.  I'm surprised you want to limit the market for it.
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #82 on: April 03, 2018, 08:12:18 PM »
 

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If size is wished to reduce at future times, can be reduce by -
add tick on to, by editing, enable icon
add red circle/line, or x, on to, by editing disable icon
remove text on all their buttons, add text as a mouseover info for each icon/button.
This can maybe be up to 75% smaller GUi.

It means space for 3x3 GUI, x3 button per row/x3 rows  -
enable icon |  disable icon | Test

Where Test button Launches Volume control then it doesn't need a row to itself
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #81 on: April 03, 2018, 07:43:44 PM »
 

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I'll wait until after release to see what the general feedback on the Lite Sounds interface is. To date I've gotten friends and people I've installed LL for (new to Linux people, our actual target audience), and they love it's simplicity. Simplicity is so 2018.
 

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« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2018, 06:45:29 PM »
 

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... or to reply to myself, make it look like the Lite Software interface maybe?
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« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2018, 06:44:39 PM »
 

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Heya people of the interweebs!


If we are "stuck" with the interface module for the GUI, its not the best but here's my vision :
And yeah, the black and gray background squares should have 2 rounded corner (top right, bottom left), 4 rounded corners or just be a circle, filled or out-lined. Sorry, the icons are great but the look with the square is too Windows95. :-S


Heres a Krita / imgur-powered pic I made quickly ;) :



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Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2018, 01:41:55 PM »
 

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Its good to know, saves time trying more ways, I had been trial/error ways to add additional rows of sliders, and also to add, list, columns, and was not able to do this in the same dialogue.


 

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« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2018, 01:30:02 PM »
 

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Code: [Select]
VALUE=`zenity --scale --title "Lite Options" --text="On Off" --hide-value --value="0" --min-value="0" --max-value="1" –step="1"`

The limitation with zenity in this case would be using multiple --scale in a single dialog. Once you try to do anything that requires the most basics in a UI dialog, zenity is out of the question. Same applies to Yad in that regard, even though Yad offers quite much more options and ways around.

While my example did not use yad or zenity (I used python), there are ways to archive similar results by using Yad buttons and pipes. We could have a dialog with three buttons and pipe clicks to execute the action and change the button labels. This is certainly doable with Yad.

@Jerry, for a pipe example, UnlockMe Icon Themes option includes it. One can click a button to "Select All" or "Clear All" to deselect all checkboxes - it pipes the action in the yad dialog.

Unless we come to the realization that this is 2018 and embrace other programming languages, we will persist on the mistake of creating a 7 buttons dialog for 3 possible actions. This is, in my opinion, a good example of what not to do in a UI dialog.



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Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2018, 12:22:48 PM »
 

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Changed title bar of slider dialogue.
Needs to be shrink slider total size to right, and add text to left before slider of the each option name.

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VALUE=`zenity --scale --title "Lite Options" --text="On Off" --hide-value --value="0" --min-value="0" --max-value="1" –step="1"`
« Last Edit: April 03, 2018, 01:15:29 PM by bitsnpcs »
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
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I haven't seen that option in either Yad or Zenity and I've explained in the past to @ralphy why we will only use those (with the exception of Lite User Manager) for GUI programming. If they are in Yad or Zenity, I'd love to see a code sample.



It is offered as idea for (lots of) improvement.
I used to begin from here https://www.linux.org/threads/zenity-gui-for-shell-scripts.9802/
I changed the step to 1, start value to zero, end value to 1, changed --text to On Off, added an --hide-value to hide the 0,1 and number above the scale.
So it can have possible 2 values, 0 or 1 (to switch on/off value, using kb left/right arrow x1 tap in direction of wished value)
Then I just using many spaces on --text until the On/Off text fitted to the scale size, as unsure how to shrink the scale width, or to change its title bar.(edit - done)

I done it just using trial and error as not used Zenity before today.

Code without the 70+ spaces between On Off

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VALUE=`zenity --scale --text="On Off" --hide-value --value="0" --min-value="0" --max-value="1" –step="1"`
« Last Edit: April 03, 2018, 12:24:08 PM by bitsnpcs »
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2018, 03:24:43 AM »
 

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...

Switches could be another way to handle this... e.g.:

 


I really like the idea of the switch indicator. It shortens and clarifies the list of options, so there don't have to be separate items for the On setting and Off setting.

I haven't seen that option in either Yad or Zenity and I've explained in the past to @ralphy why we will only use those (with the exception of Lite User Manager) for GUI programming. If they are in Yad or Zenity, I'd love to see a code sample.
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2018, 03:22:26 AM »
 

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Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2018, 03:20:57 AM »
 

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The market for Linux Lite is going to grow smaller as time goes on by not supporting UEFI PCs.


That's not going to happen, quite the opposite and let me explain how.
1. Linux market share will steadily increase over time, and we will benefit from that, 'get our slice of the pie' so to speak.
2. Not everyone will exclude us just because we don't support UEFI. If people are determined to get away from the nightmare that is Windows, they will do it regardless. I was one of those, and hardware semantics did not get in the way of my decision.
 

Re: Linux Lite 4.0 - Sneak peeks
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2018, 01:35:12 AM »
 

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Hi m654321.  I do not have Windows installed on my UEFI PC.  I like distro hopping.  I have 7 different Linux distros on my PC.  From what I've read, UEFI is better to deal with multiple partitions. 

I have helped some people with Windows PCs get started with Linux.  I put Linux on them because they are low powered newer PCs with Windows 10 that ran dog slow.  It runs a lot better with Linux.  I think Linux Lite is just about the perfect distro for people switching from Windows that don't know much about computers.  I don't want to have take the time to reformat the drive and then reload Windows before loading Linux.  Most Linux distros support UEFI now.  The market for Linux Lite is going to grow smaller as time goes on by not supporting UEFI PCs.
 

 

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