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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2020, 06:12:27 PM »
 

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By the way, I see the file name and directory is a "UEFI test" !  Is this a test of the Linux O.S. ?

I am only interested on stable and secure versions of O.S.
 


Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2020, 06:55:40 PM »
 

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Hello DeepThought.

I donīt know what is a system with or without UEFI. But as I said before secure boot is disabled!

Just in case I am downloading that full UEFI version you mentioned. I hope your link is safe!   It will take a while until my download finish.

In Windows 10, click on Start, search for system information and under system summary look for bios mode. It should state whether your pc is running under legacy bios or uefi

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Hello Moltke.

I tried with Rufos, but it does not work either. I continue with the same issue.

Oh well, that's too bad. It's never failed to me but I guess this can happen.

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By the way, I see the file name and directory is a "UEFI test" !  Is this a test of the Linux O.S. ?

I am only interested on stable and secure versions of O.S.

It's a stable and secure release. I don't know why it's called like that but as far as I can tell is as stable and secure as the legacy one.
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2020, 07:49:50 PM »
 

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Hi Moltke. I could not find that info about UEFI but I donīt see any point on this.  It doesn't matter at all since I said before that my BIOS is booting from others USB device.

Before go to other ways (like to try other ISO or even find other Linux distribution), I think two main questions should be answered:

1. Why it does not work with the ISO downloaded from the official Linux Lite website?

2. What exactly steps should be done after download the ISO considering: a) My BIOS is set to boot from a USB device since itīs working fine with other bootable USB device.  b) The "Balena Etcher" procedure is not working as I described earlier on this topic.


Furthermore, why the Linux Liteīs Help Manual does not mention any of this issues described here??

After several hours of research, manual reading and a lot of tests my first experience with Linux is:  Unable to reach the boot to try to deploy Linux! In other words, unable to go further then step zero.

On the past Linux was only for developers or very advanced users and there was no real support at all. I heard a lot of people saying it was in the past, everything has changed, Linux can be easier than Windows, etc.

Well, my experience here shows we are not so far from this past.

Users are unable to simply deploy LinuxLite! Can you imagine how could it be when you try to use or configure it if you can not go further then step zero?   Itīs a shame the manual is not enough to start deploying Linux in first place!
 

Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2020, 08:06:11 PM »
 

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Yes, I disabled secure boot.  It seems I don't have the option to enable legacy boot on my BIOS configuration

Linux Lite needs legacy boot in the bios to work unless you use the uefi version from the link I gave you.
Disabling just secure boot is not enough and unless you can resolve this you will have to use the uefi version or try another distro.
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2020, 09:14:16 PM »
 

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Hi Moltke. I could not find that info about UEFI but I donīt see any point on this.  It doesn't matter at all since I said before that my BIOS is booting from others USB device.

What do you mean exactly by "my bios is booting from other USB devices?" Did you or didn't you boot into Linux Lite? Did you boot using another Linux distro?

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Users are unable to simply deploy LinuxLite! Can you imagine how could it be when you try to use or configure it if you can not go further then step zero?   Itīs a shame the manual is not enough to start deploying Linux in first place!

You're wrong. I have succesfully booted Linux Lite and many other distros in every machine I tried, in fact, I'm writing from a hp 2000 laptop runing Linux and according to inxi
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Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP 2000 Notebook PC v: 0888110003305910000620100
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           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 188B v: KBC Version 69.17 serial: <root required> UEFI [Legacy]: Insyde v: F.34
           date: 05/22/2013
and I didn't have to do anything out of the ordinary to boot Linux Lite from a USB and it wasn't the UEFI version. FWIW, I'm not a Linux expert whatsoever.
 
However, I realized there's some information everyone here in this thread has failed to ask, including me; what's the make and model of your pc? Like brand i.e samsung, HP, Acer ... can you provide that info so we can offer a better informed advice, please?  Also, can you take a picture of your bios settings and post it here so we can take a look? Something's clealy preventing you from booting Linux Lite in your pc and with this information we might have better view of the problem.
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2020, 11:18:16 PM »
 

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@Roken  I second the UEFI version what @DeepThought mentioned.


Especially if you want to dual boot with Windows - if not Win would be UEFI and LL would be Legacy/BIOS and you have to switch bios for each to boot..
SO yes if you turned off secureboot - you have UEFI - so use that..


These forums and manual have ideas on what to use to create the USB - Etcher - Win32DiskImager, just dont use a "Multiboot" imager..


Once you have the usb - boot to the USB; may need to change boot order. Once you see LL you'll be able to install (icon on desktop) - You can try out LL just like you would if installed (it running off your usb - may feel slow running from usb - not when installed)..
 
Here's a link to the install portion of the manual..
https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/install.html



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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 08:18:44 AM »
 

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Moltke,

I did NOT boot into Linux Lite. There was a question if the problem was the BIOS that can not do boot from a USB driver or if the problem is anything else. In order to answer that question, I used an other old pendrive USB bootable (with windows boot for example) just to check if the BIOS is able to do boot from an USB device as I configured it for.  The BIOS did successfully boot from a USB device, so itīs a proof that my BIOS is correct configured to do that and the problem is anything else than BIOS configuration.

Then there is not point to me to send here a screenshot of my BIOS configuration or the model of my PC.

To go further on that itīs important to answer the questions I made, especially question two.



firenice03,

I donīt know what you mean by use UEFI.
Like I said so many times before, Balena Etcher does not work. Thatīs the reason why I tried all those other steps I mentioned on this post. Unfortunately nothing works.



DeepThought,

"Linux Lite needs legacy boot in the bios to work unless you use the uefi version from the link I gave you."  Why the manual does not mention anything about that? Why do I need an unknown person on the forum to send me an ISO since I have downloaded the ISO from the official website already?

It would be terrible if I had to look for a new Linux distribution after all these hours of research and all efforts to try Linux Lite.

Isn't Linux Lite supposed to be an easier, little, simple and fast way to initiate with Linux?   Is this OS supposed to replace Windows without at least a decent manual?   If  I am wrong please tell me other distribution of Linux, because I am having a bad experience with all that.


I think the best way to solve this is answering my questions, especially the second one: "2. What exactly steps should be done after download the ISO considering:....."

For example:

STEP 1: Download ISO using the link from oficial LinuxLite website.  -> Status OK. Done!!

STEP 2: ..... ?

STEP 3: ..... ?

STEP 4: ..... ?
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I donīt know if I did it right, but I did that following steps considering we donīt have manual for that:


STEP 1: Download ISO using the link from oficial LinuxLite website. ->  Status OK. Done!!

STEP 2: I used Rufos software in order to create a bootable USB device.  -> Status OK. Done!

STEP 3: I used "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.9.0" software to extract the ISO file into the USB device. ->  Status OK. Done!

STEP 4: I configured the BIOS to do boot from an USB device before start Windows 10 boot.  -> Status OK. Done!

STEP 5: Boot into Linux Lite from the USB device and click on the icon "install" to start deploying Linux Lite. -> FAIL !!!



It does not boot LinuxLite!!  I donīt know why yet. Are the steps I performed correct?


Is there a way to double check if the procedure described on Step 2 really worked?

Is there a way to check if Steps 1 to 3 are correct?  I am only sure about Step 4 procedure because I could check it.


Is there a most simple, little, and easy Linux distribution that has a manual step by step like this to install and configure it?
Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 08:33:26 AM by Roken
 

Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 10:16:14 AM »
 

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@Roken Have you looked at the install manual I posted above...

The UEFI install can be found here - http://repo.linuxliteos.com/uefitests/4.2/  - It says 4.2 but it will upgrade.
Don't let test fool you - it is a stable version... I have installed this as have many others just as stable.
***The UEFI part is newer and was test when thread was created -its been in use for sometime...

There are 2 types of BIOS -- The older "Legacy" BIOS most are familiar with then UEFI an new bios but has been around for sometime.


Steps..
- Download UEFI ISO --  -- ensure iso is completely downloaded
- Use Etcher to create a LiveUSB
- Boot to USB and Install (or try)


In Etcher - try again... What is failing?  ---- Or any creator (tho options may differ)
- Select image = point to the downloaded ISO
- Select target = point to USB drive (4+ gb in size)
- Click Flash
Wait for USB to Write then eject/remove

*Etcher is creating a bootable USB - it will not be recognized the same way once created - Afterwards if you want to reuse this USB drive you'll need to reformat it.. This is easily done in any OS no tools needed...



Put newly created USB in the PC to install LL... and boot
**Note if having trouble installing - Win10 may need Fast boot turned OFF - this shows where to find
https://lifehacker.com/enable-this-setting-to-make-windows-10-boot-up-faster-1743697169


** If you changed BIOS/UEFI settings you can set back... i.e. Turn Secureboot back ON and disable Legacy (enable UEFI)
*Change/set boot order - or know how to at boot..
Boot to USB..


LL will boot up, and after a couple minutes (give or take dependent on system/usb)
You will have options to Start or Install
- I like to "start" to see the desktop/test...


On the desktop click on the Install LL icon...
Follow on screen prompts..




If any errors - please note them we'll be able to better aid...


UEFI is different than BIOS - but once you know you have it and use the correct LL installer its easy.


Have a look at the manual
https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/install.html


Don't give up!!!!
Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 10:28:46 AM by firenice03
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 11:27:22 AM »
 

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Then there is not point to me to send here a screenshot of my BIOS configuration or the model of my PC.

You're wrong, yet again. Of course there is not only 1 point but several ones into asking those details, 1, we're not in front of your pc but you and you are new to Linux so you might be doing something wong without even know it and 2, since we're not "on site" but only you, we can not know if there's some configuration setting that needs to be done.

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I did NOT boot into Linux Lite. There was a question if the problem was the BIOS that can not do boot from a USB driver or if the problem is anything else. In order to answer that question, I used an other old pendrive USB bootable (with windows boot for example) just to check if the BIOS is able to do boot from an USB device as I configured it for.  The BIOS did successfully boot from a USB device, so itīs a proof that my BIOS is correct configured to do that and the problem is anything else than BIOS configuration.

This only proves that you've no idea what you're doing. Did you try booting Linux Lite from that "old pendrive" which did boot  "windows for example"? Did you try the same "windows for example" in the not "so old pendrive" you've been failing to boot Linux Lite from too? Acording to your own account, "you've succesfully booted "windows for example" from an "old pendrive" but failed to boot Linux Lite from a not "so old pendrive" which begs the question, is one of those, either the old one or the not so old one, working correctly? which one is?  Again, according to your own words, looks like something might be wrong with the "not so old pendrive" and that the "old one" does work properly, so why don't try booting Linux Lite from the "old pendrive" and see it that works?

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I donīt know if I did it right, but I did that following steps considering we donīt have manual for that:


STEP 1: Download ISO using the link from oficial LinuxLite website. ->  Status OK. Done!!

STEP 2: I used Rufos software in order to create a bootable USB device.  -> Status OK. Done!

STEP 3: I used "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.9.0" software to extract the ISO file into the USB device. ->  Status OK. Done!

STEP 4: I configured the BIOS to do boot from an USB device before start Windows 10 boot.  -> Status OK. Done!

STEP 5: Boot into Linux Lite from the USB device and click on the icon "install" to start deploying Linux Lite. -> FAIL !!!

If you did follow those steps is no wonder your Linux Lite Live USB won't boot, again, if the above is correct, then you've made at least one mistake; step 3 isn't needed. Try again like this:

STEP 1: Download ISO using the link from oficial LinuxLite website.

STEP 2: Use Rufus to create a bootable USB device.

STEP 3: Configure the BIOS to boot from the USB device.

STEP 4: Boot into Linux Lite from the USB device and click on the icon "Install Linux Lite" to start deploying Linux Lite.

Again, this STEP 3: I used "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.9.0" software to extract the ISO file into the USB device. ->  Status OK. Done! if you actually did that after using Rufus to burn the iso into the USB, then you destroyed what you did in step two, making the USB unbootable and that's why your bios can't boot Linux Lite, there's no need for this "step 3", try again following the 4 steps I pointed above.

Hpe this helps! :)
Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 11:39:42 AM by Moltke
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2020, 11:33:49 AM »
 

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firenice03,

I'm afraid your comment does not helped.

However I did research about UEFI since you said itīs like other kind of BIOS. And I find out I have BIOS not UEFI !!!

Thatīs why my BIOS donīt have the option to enable legacy bios as I told before, because it IS the legacy BIOS already.

By the way I donīt know why you insist on Step 4 once I said itīs the ONLY step I am sure is correct!

 
About Etcher, are you assuming that is impossible to Balena Etcher fail ??

It's the same that saying all Linux O.S. is fully dependent on a third party software called Balena Etcher!  If Balena Etcher fails no one never could be able to use Linux ever.  Thatīs insane!

It does not help if you go this way and do not check others alternatives how to do that like I was trying to do.
 

Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
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UEFI LL build is a test build of the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface not of the operating system itself. Everything UEFI is test because it involves OEM firmware which has nothing to do with the OSs stability, but only the boot system requirements.

If you are not going to dual boot with Windows 10, and your BIOS has a legacy boot option enable it and install the MBR version of LL. If you are dual booting you will need the UEFI version.

When you clicked the install icon how long did you wait? Did you double click it? OR... did you click install from the boot menu? Run the live system first and you will get the info you need.

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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
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One more try to explain.

Your words:

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Yes, I disabled secure boot.  It seems I don't have the option to enable legacy boot on my BIOS configuration

From :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Secure_boot

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The UEFI 2.3.1 Errata C specification (or higher) defines a protocol known as secure boot, which can secure the boot process by preventing the loading of drivers or OS loaders that are not signed with an acceptable digital signature.


So while you may have disabled secure boot you have not enabled legacy boot, so when your pc boots, it looks for an efi partition to boot from.
The Linux Lite from the main site is Legacy Bios only so whether you failed or succeeded in making a viable usb live Linux Lite, IT WON'T BOOT WITH UEFI ENABLED.

The link I gave and has been posted again for you is to the UEFI version of Linux Lite and creating a  live usb with that iso should work.

Just because you haven't found legacy bios in your bios settings, doesn't mean it's not there. Different manufacturers label things differently and it may even be a case of disabling UEFI, only you can look through your bios settings to find it.

Anyway, don't know how else to explain things to you so I'll step back now.
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2020, 01:17:57 PM »
 

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Moltke,

I did the procedure again excluding the step 3 as you mentioned, but it did not worked too.

So I tried to use the second option available on the Rufus software (as image DD), since itīs said maybe I can have problems to boot using the first recommended option.

But now Windows does not recognize my USB driver anymore!! Did I lost my pendrive?  How can I recover my pendrive if Windows does not read it??


P.S.:  This forum does not allow to attach images (.jpg)?
"Allowed file types: txt, log, cfg, conf, err, zip, tar, bz2, tbz2, tgz, html, tar.gz" ?


 

Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
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Wow, what a bad experience! I almost lost my pen drive!   By the way, using Balena Etcher I almost lost my pen drive too.


I had to use "Diskpart" from CMD. I used the commands "list disk", "select disk and "Clean". After that I ran Rufus again using the first option. And now at least my pendrive is back live.

However I still am not able to install LL, even excluding step 3.

I think maybe the problem is the failure on build a bootable device, although Rufus said the procedure was concluded successfully.
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Re: How can I install Linux Lite by the very beginning?
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Moltke,

I did the procedure again excluding the step 3 as you mentioned, but it did not worked too.

So I tried to use the second option available on the Rufus software (as image DD), since itīs said maybe I can have problems to boot using the first recommended option.

But now Windows does not recognize my USB driver anymore!! Did I lost my pendrive?  How can I recover my pendrive if Windows does not read it??


P.S.:  This forum does not allow to attach images (.jpg)?
"Allowed file types: txt, log, cfg, conf, err, zip, tar, bz2, tbz2, tgz, html, tar.gz" ?

No, you didn't lose your pendrive, it's only that it is most likely formatted in ext4 and windows doesn't read that file system format. plug in the USB device, run rufus and burn the Linux Lite ISO using the default option, that way Windows will be able to see it again or right-click on it and see if it gives you the option to format.  Please, consider providing the info I asked you before; make and model of your pc, so we can search for it, find the specs and see whether there's some "obscure setting" not you let alone us can't see. Otherwise there's not much we can do to assist you from the distance apart from what's already been offered. You can post an image by visiting this site https://imgur.com/ uploading the image you want to share in the forum by clicking in new post, you'll be redirected to the uploader's tool where you can either drop your image right into it or click on choose, find the image in your pc and once it's been uploaded at imgur, click in the three dots placed at the top right corner of the image, right where it reads copy link and in the menu click on get share links and finally in the window that pops up right where it reads BBcode (Forums) click on copy link return to the forum and past that link in the thread you want it to be visible.













Hope this helps! :)
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