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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2015, 03:30:35 PM »
 

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If you don't get the issue from the command I supplied, but you do with the GUI, then the GUI runs a different command.  I wouldn't recommend giving up on the GUI.  It's doing what it's supposed to do.  And in your case, it's letting us know something is odd.  The GUI also more than likely produces a log even when you cancel out of the process.  I just don't know where that log file is.  Perhaps someone else will chime in.

Did you try Edit, Fix Broken Packages within Install/Remove Software?

Also consider Lite Tweaks (Menu, System, Lite Tweaks).  The Autoremove Packages and Package Cache are safe options.

Just as a heads up, it appears the GUI updater is a script run from /usr/scripts/updates-gui and it generates a log in /var/logs/llupdates.log. However I'm not sure if this file is generated line for line while the updates are running, or if it is only generated after the updates are done all in one shot. Just wanted to let you know, since I was able to track these down.
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2015, 04:35:50 PM »
 

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So I started to investigate .NET Core, but ran into the same exact issue... check out the "Installing .NET Core on Linux" documentation:

http://dotnet.readthedocs.org/en/latest/getting-started/installing-core-linux.html

it asks me to install the latest mono, and points me to more Debian packages.

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sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
echo "deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian wheezy main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-xamarin.list
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install mono-complete

but reading over that guide it states the .NET 5 Core team is using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, so they're including Debian repos under Ubuntu as well... it seems like this is pretty much unavoidable if I want to keep to LTS, but develop using the latest tools. I mean I was able to get Visual Studio Code (their cross platform editor) installed and running without issue (it was just a zip). But now I'm at another road block.

anyone have any other suggestions?
 

Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2015, 02:03:52 PM »
 

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In the subject of this thread, can you change the word "suck" to "stuck"?

Oh wow, sorry, that was a legitimate typo. I've fixed it.

 

Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2015, 11:00:09 AM »
 

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In the subject of this thread, can you change the word "suck" to "stuck"?
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2015, 10:27:35 AM »
 

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* Strangely enough, the repo listed above is listed as obsolete, and then points to the original instructions I followed that had me add the Debian PPAs to my system...

I guess the maintainer has other issues in life.

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Reminds me of Sis, Savage, Via, graphics driver maintainer also.
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 08:45:58 AM »
 

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Yeah the official Ubuntu 14.04 PPAs will let me install MonoDevelop v4.0, but it's a bit old. The current version is v5.9 and there have been many bug fixes and feature editions since v4.0. I could always attempt to build it from source (but that's another bag of worms). A friend recommended I search across LauchPad.net fist , and I found this PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~ermshiperete/+archive/ubuntu/monodevelop-beta

which appears to include v5.9.0.431 built for 14.04 (trusty).

Still being new to Linux, I figured I'd ask you guys if that seems like a legit way to get the software I need without having to build it myself.


** Strangely enough, the repo listed above is listed as obsolete, and then points to the original instructions I followed that had me add the Debian PPAs to my system...
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2015, 07:03:45 PM »
 

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Just wondering? Not pretending to understand what you are needing either. Being a Linux using biker and all.
But have you looked at

https://github.com/dotnet

That is where Microsoft is porting .net to be able to be worked on in Linux.
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Edit: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/monodevelop


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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2015, 05:42:26 PM »
 

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Well I definitely don't want to hose my OS, the whole point of installing MonoDevelop in the first place was to continue to develop .NET applications, but under Linux (since I don't intend to continue using Windows beyond Windows 7, but I still need to develop for it). Since these are new installations of Linux Lite, I can redo them without too much impact. Would that be the recommended process? or is there a way to roll back from my current MonoDevelop installation and then install an older one from the default repositories.
 

Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2015, 01:59:03 PM »
 

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avj is right you know. But it is your box. Already you suffer from poisoning the well.
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 01:22:07 PM »
 

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These are the sources I was referring to:

Hit http://download.mono-project.com wheezy/main i386 Packages
Hit http://download.mono-project.com wheezy-apache24-compat/main i386 Packages

Just from personal experience every time I tried to mix sources from Debian to Ubuntu, I was left with a broken system.
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 01:12:02 PM »
 

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Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that.

Unfortunately I needed the lastest version of MonoDevelop (so I followed the instructions below):

http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/

I'm assuming those are the debian packages you are refering to.

 

Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 12:38:25 PM »
 

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I am no expert, but the first thing that sticks out to me is that you have debian repositories in your sources. As far as I am aware this is a bad idea.
more info here:  https://askubuntu.com/a/346741

from a link at the above answer, "If you added Debian's experimental software sources to your Ubuntu system, they would almost always have higher-versioned packages than provided by the Ubuntu software sources (since most Ubuntu packages come from Debian). Consequently all the software in your system would be upgraded to the Debian experimental versions. This upgrade process would very likely fail, leaving your system or the package manager in a non-functional state."

As far as I know this applies to all packages from debian repositories being used in Ubuntu and Ubuntu based operating systems.
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 11:42:24 AM »
 

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I'll keep my eye on it for future updates and see if I can narrow it down. I'll post in this thread if I get more info.
 

Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 11:39:15 AM »
 

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If you don't get the issue from the command I supplied, but you do with the GUI, then the GUI runs a different command.  I wouldn't recommend giving up on the GUI.  It's doing what it's supposed to do.  And in your case, it's letting us know something is odd.  The GUI also more than likely produces a log even when you cancel out of the process.  I just don't know where that log file is.  Perhaps someone else will chime in.

Did you try Edit, Fix Broken Packages within Install/Remove Software?

Also consider Lite Tweaks (Menu, System, Lite Tweaks).  The Autoremove Packages and Package Cache are safe options. 
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Re: Two machines suck on Installing Updates (at the same point)
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 11:22:15 AM »
 

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"Mark All Upgrades" did not select any packages.

I think the last package to get installed was Plastic SCM, but I've done a few updates in the past without issue.

This was the first time it hung on me, and it was strange it did it on both systems, though they are setup identically (save for one being 32bit and the other being 64bit).

I ended up just canceling, I think I'll start updating from the commandline so I can see where it gets stuck in the future.

Too bad there wasn't a way to show that through the GUI, currently seems you can only view the log at the end of the process.
 

 

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