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Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« on: April 22, 2016, 03:32:08 PM »
 

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Well I just wanna give a heads up to people considering to use BleachBit and have systemback installed.

I found that bleachbit has done something to systemback on my system. It actually takes more than 20 min to load systemback. Not sure how to fix it but I been itching to install 2.8 LL.

Just wanted to let everyone know that after reinstalling systemback it still doing the long loading time thing.

Even after deleting all restore points the SystemBack is still taking forever to load (showing the drive working at 100%)


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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2016, 05:49:45 PM »
 

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Good to know. 

You might want to reach out to the Systemback developer for help.  They were responsive with me when I reached out to them.  Their contact information can be seen via the About link within Systemback.  You have to advance to the second page of the Function menu to see the About link.

On another note, I looked into Bleachbit, but I didn't make a move on it since it seemed Lite Tweaks addressed most of the main stuff I'd need from Bleachbit. 

Sorry you had to delete your restore points.  Perhaps one of them could have gotten you back to where you needed to be, though it might have taken a while based on the performance you're currently getting out of Systemback.
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2016, 06:01:01 PM »
 

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I suspect this is related to an issue with bleachbit, an interrupted wipe of free space on the HDD can leave very large folders that are troublesome to read or delete. See the following.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/427647/strange-folder-in-my-home-folder-after-a-failed-run-of-bleachbit

https://www.bleachbit.org/forum/unremovable-folder-after-trying-wipe-free-space
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2016, 06:07:08 PM »
 

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Never been a fan of Bleachbit, for the reason that when run in root mode, there is still the potential for system damage despite the warnings. This in part, inspired me to create Lite Tweaks, a much safer system cleaning option without going over the top.

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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2016, 06:26:03 PM »
 

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Thanks for the heads up...
I have never used the "Free Disk Space or Memory" function...
The only main difference with Bleachbit and Lite Tweaks, Bleachbit removes unwanted language/locale files,
I have just checked now, and it would remove an extra 376K... So not a real saving.
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2016, 07:57:52 PM »
 

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@Wirezfree I believe I used the Free Disk Space but didn't touch memory or anything that was giving a pop-up notice.

I heard about BleachBit on a podcast I was listening to. Installed it and it worked fine until I noticed the long load time for SystemBack so I deleted it as most of the stuff I can do myself.

Like I said I need an excuses to upgrade to 2.8 and thought I should let others know as it would be the LITE thing to do! hahah!

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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 08:00:32 PM »
 

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Good to know. 

You might want to reach out to the Systemback developer for help.  They were responsive with me when I reached out to them.  Their contact information can be seen via the About link within Systemback.  You have to advance to the second page of the Function menu to see the About link.

On another note, I looked into Bleachbit, but I didn't make a move on it since it seemed Lite Tweaks addressed most of the main stuff I'd need from Bleachbit. 

Sorry you had to delete your restore points.  Perhaps one of them could have gotten you back to where you needed to be, though it might have taken a while based on the performance you're currently getting out of Systemback.

Yea no problem. Linux don't scare me like it used to.
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 04:29:05 AM »
 

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I suspect this is related to an issue with bleachbit, an interrupted wipe of free space on the HDD can leave very large folders that are troublesome to read or delete. See the following.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/427647/strange-folder-in-my-home-folder-after-a-failed-run-of-bleachbit

https://www.bleachbit.org/forum/unremovable-folder-after-trying-wipe-free-space

Went back to read more of what you posted. I suppose that was what happened to me. BleachBit seemed like it was taking forever. Here I was thinking the drives pegged at 100% for like 30 min, It must have been stuck in a loop and crashed. Soooo I reset the computer.  oops!
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 07:52:50 AM »
 

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Sorry to jump in on your topic but I'm still newish to linux lite. What does bleachbit do that lite tools won't?
 

Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 09:38:07 AM »
 

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If you exclude the "Wipe" feature, which basically sets all the unused(free) disk space to "0's or "1's"
it's not really removing anything, it's more for security, stop files being recovered, but simplistically.
Then it more or less does the same...

Here they are running side by side, LiteTweaks indicates @ 162MB to clean, Bleachbit @ 220MB


Now run LiteTweaks, all clean, run Bleachbit, @ 54MB to clean.
The main difference is because of "extra" Language/Localisation files.
These are all downloaded during updates & program install, even if your Language/Locale is set, I'm set English/UK
You can see all the language files, like fr, de, it etc



Now you can tweak this in an apt config file, not bothered, it's not worth risking breaking something for such a trivial gain.
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2016, 09:42:29 AM »
 

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Bleachbit is, according to Wikipedia, "a free and open-source disk space cleaner, privacy manager, and computer system optimizer.".  The features can be seen at the following link. 
http://www.bleachbit.org/features

I would not recommend using Bleachbit with sudo, without first creating a restore point with Systemback, and recommend that you don't try to use it to wipe free space from the HDD at all. See my previous post for links.  Bleachbit is a powerful tool that if used incorrectly can trash your operating system. 
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2016, 09:52:12 AM »
 

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Completely agree... "Use with Caution"
Many a person came un-stuck with "ccleaner" in Windows.
Especially if they forgot to use the "back-up" feature :(
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2016, 02:27:37 PM »
 

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@avj
Completely agree... "Use with Caution"
Many a person came un-stuck with "ccleaner" in Windows.
Especially if they forgot to use the "back-up" feature :(

Oh now that I think about it when I used to use windows I have used a program called tweak-now and that was a program like Bleach-bit. Never had a problem with that program. I believe they used to color coordinate the results where you could be sure to only dabble in safe areas. Never used CCleaner.

As for Bleach-bit I don't want to come off as someone poopooing on the software. Like I said before I enjoy testing new utilities. As a result forwarding results good or bad here is always a plus.

btw 2.8 LL feels nice, as usual. 
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Re: Systemback (using BleachBit) = bad Idea
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2016, 05:31:44 PM »
 

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Yes, there are many tools/utils that can be used,
It's about understanding what they do, and importantly what to do if something goes wrong....

I remember trying something in the early day's that made it easy to customise xfce menus
Well that didn't quite go to plan, the more I tried to fix it, the worse it got.. So I re-installed. :(
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