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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2019, 08:51:17 AM »
 

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Hello, I use an Asus eeebox 1501b with 2 go ram and i notice that the unity gets warm quickly after boot and stays so.
Anything I can fix here:

Memory Usage: 1330/1993MB (66.73%)
Disk Usage: 12/293GB (5%)
with just the default pdf reader open and firefox

  17.567s dev-sda1.device
         16.051s ufw.service
         15.079s keyboard-setup.service
         15.027s lvm2-monitor.service
         14.793s systemd-journal-flush.service
         14.598s systemd-modules-load.service
         14.516s systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
          6.590s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          3.413s swapfile.swap
          3.169s udisks2.service
          2.718s NetworkManager.service
          2.682s networkd-dispatcher.service
          2.498s accounts-daemon.service
          2.289s ModemManager.service
          2.126s grub-common.service
          2.029s fstrim.service
          2.017s nmbd.service
          1.983s systemd-random-seed.service
          1.878s preload.service
          1.833s motd-news.service
          1.804s plymouth-quit-wait.service
          1.801s lightdm.service
          1.747s wpa_supplicant.service


 


Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2019, 07:48:07 AM »
 

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Hi,

(Throwing some ideas post :-) )

I agree that this should be included in Lite Tweaks, maybe in an advanced or in a special "Diagnostics" section / module?
But, to make it more user flriendly, I would add some "Info" text in the program though, just above the buttons on the main window.

I push new Linux users to click and try everything so opening the tool with a text saying what is does would help guide/teach users.
Maybe, something like :
"This tool helps diagnose startup issues related to SystemD. SystemD provides a standard process for controlling what programs run when a Linux system boots up."

Now that I think about it, I would find this helpful in a lot of "specialized" applications, but that could be the noob in me talking. ;)
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2019, 07:55:45 AM »
 

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For your , Asus eeebox 1501b, do you know if the harddisk inside is a SSD?
I regularly have problems in laptops and micro PCs (low to no airflow) with a "standard" harddrive getting hot, specially if it's a 7200rpm drive.
(guess this should be moved to a support section though :-S )
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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 03:38:40 AM »
 

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According to the specs of the Eeebox 1501P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_EeeBox_PC
The HD is a 320 GB SATA @ 5,400 RPM
 

Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2019, 06:04:39 AM »
 

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Please open a support thread, this is a Tutorial. Thanks.
 

Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2019, 10:06:39 AM »
 

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Perhaps a list of what can be shut-off for a faster boot up that 99% of users can do without the fear of doing damage to the O.S?
That would be neat for folks like myself.
 

Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2019, 10:43:24 AM »
 

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@Rapidrob

If you haven't tried and not planning on using VirtualBox..

Performance Tips:

- For start up (boot time) - if you have no plans to run VirtualBox, and you want faster boots, you can remove it's supported additions:
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sudo apt purge virtualbox*
sudo systemctl stop vboxadd.service
sudo systemctl stop vboxadd-service.service
sudo systemctl disable vboxadd.service
sudo systemctl disable vboxadd-service.service
Menu, Settings, Session and Startup, Application Autostart. Untick vboxclient.

VirtualBox support is included and has always been because this is how many people review an OS before they install it. Having the right support - clipboard, drag & drop, network, graphics etc gives a significantly better impression of an OS's function.

- Setting a static IP address (see the Help Manual) will improve boot times, it's something I've always used myself. Instead of waiting for your router to assign you an IP, the OS already has it set. One less thing for the start up procedure to spend time probing for.

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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2019, 05:04:31 PM »
 

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Hi, thanks for the VirtualBox reminder... I looked around but I didn't see it in Sticky anywhere...

I also just noticed in your sig you had an Atom with SiS?
Maybe you had to use it as a punishment... or lost a dare? :DD
I'm just kidding, but when I work on a "trouble" system with an SiS chipset. I can almost flip a coin that it comes from a SiS "incompatility" of some kind.
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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2019, 10:04:43 AM »
 

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@TheDead  VB info was in the release notes. It is stickied.

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« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2019, 12:49:50 PM »
 

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Hi, thanks for the VirtualBox reminder... I looked around but I didn't see it in Sticky anywhere...

I also just noticed in your sig you had an Atom with SiS?
Maybe you had to use it as a punishment... or lost a dare? :DD
I'm just kidding, but when I work on a "trouble" system with an SiS chipset. I can almost flip a coin that it comes from a SiS "incompatility" of some kind.



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Yes it was in the release notes :)


As for SiS... UGH -- it was what I had, and an early on box too try to "learn" on...
I always found it was a custom/modified xorg.conf..


I have bookmarked.. To remind me LOL
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/video-cards/sis-graphic-card-support-(771671-pcie-vga)/
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/video-cards/sis-671771-issue/


There are probably many other links in the forum for SiS too ... but UGH...
I remember trying a setting, rebooting and having to undo/correct in a tty and try again... I made sure I had backups LOL
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« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2020, 03:50:11 AM »
 

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Oh, yeah, those release notes thingy. I knew I saw them info's somewhere! (says me with a potato farmer's accent)
Now I feel like the times when you removed those little tags from clothes and then ask yourself if you can put them in the dryer without getting an gnome suit afterwards.

SiS... in the news, they say that they're not nice people, beheading others, etc..... Oh wait... thats another group.
Both can scare people though... ;)
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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2020, 02:44:58 AM »
 

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Yes.

Hi, Jerry!
I've been looking for a long time for such a tool.
Sadly, none of the above have versions for Core 20.04.
Reverting to LL 4.8 looks ugly to me (I'm very pleased with 5.0! :) ) and I lack the skills to compile and eventually, fix things if needed.

Do you have any news on releases for 20.04?

I bookmarked the thread, I find it very important, since getting rid of useless services is important to anyone.
For now, I have DConf installed but it's too technical, has to many cryptic fields. Reminds me very much of RegEdit... I never liked it but there were too many things that could be solved only this way...

I like better Boot-Up Manager and System-UI

Maybe you can add this kind of tool to Lite Tools?

Lite Tweaks is from UI's perspective, very much like these ones. I like it, I use it. :)
Sadly, SystemD is too complex to add all things into Lite Tweaks and as I see things, for a total newbie, it would be better to have a distinct App. My modus operandi allows me to do whatever I want with the machine, since a restore takes some 5 - 10 minutes and I've done it countless times but for this, you need practice and this takes time...
I never recommend to a beginner to use tools that might create trouble and tampering with SystemD is the last thing I would recommend to a beginner...
As I see it, this is very much like running the whole system as root. It's possible, but why?

A different approach might be that having such a tool in Lite Tools Package, might impact the overall impression on Linux Lite. Might boost the number of users.
It's less about running Lite on a slow machine. It's about the efficiency Linux Lite provides me. Now as you already know, I have enough resources to run whatever distro, eventually get back to Mint. Still, Lite is different. More stable? Maybe. More flexible? Maybe.
I never had serious trouble and I went from LL 4.0 to the current LL 5.0.
Further more: while some people had trouble with GUID/UEFI, except for some 30 minutes I lost to figure out how to do it, it all went smooth enough to call it "Out of the box".
While on Mint, there were trouble from version to version. Nothing "unbreakable" so to speak, but annoying enough.

And there is something you pointed out in the interview: COMMUNITY.
This, I find irreplaceable.

So, what do you think? Is it doable?

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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2020, 08:46:23 PM »
 

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Not really viewed as a major priority. We don't want our target audience fiddling about with SystemD tweaks.

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Re: SystemD - Linux Lite Guide
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2020, 02:11:16 AM »
 

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Not really viewed as a major priority. We don't want our target audience fiddling about with SystemD tweaks.

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Thanks for answering! :)

It's difficult to make a choice. Given the average level of the users, as you said, it's safer to avoid tampering with key components.
As I see, many users have trouble reinstalling, although it's relatively easy to create a /home partition that waives all the headaches...
Under such conditions, it is out of question to put such a tool in the wrong hands. It just opens the Pandorra's box of complaints...

Final note:
I am very happy with Linux Lite 5.0 on Dell Precision T1700! :)
Everything works flawlessly! :) (So far... :) )

Thanks! :)
Have a great day! :)
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