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General => On Topic => Topic started by: tany12 on September 26, 2019, 05:22:25 PM
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I've tried both on a dinosaur laptop (had a single core Intel Celeron CPU, 512MB RAM... like absolute dinosaur). Lubuntu doesn't seem well supported at all, it looks like an operating system made for a RasPi (ugly and a pain in the ass find files and programs because there was no search bar in the menu) and it ran SLOWER than the more modern feeling Linux Lite. Is there something I'm missing or is Lubuntu just terrible?
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If I had a Celeron, I would dip it in Southern Ranch dipping sauce and eat it. ..... Oh, a CelerON ;) (friday's joke)
Yep Celeron + 512MB RAM... Pretty sure my dishwasher has more ressources, just kidding. Dont even know if LinuxLite 2.8 would be "workable" on this, like internet and stuff I mean. Lowest I went was Pentium3M+512RAM and a "CD" drive. Has soon as I tried updating, it was lagging too much. Think I went with Peppermint (with updates) + Palemoon at the time, it had a weird soundcard too.
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If I had a Celeron, I would dip it in Southern Ranch dipping sauce and eat it. ..... Oh, a CelerON ;) (friday's joke)
That would be celeriac, like cardiac. Though it would be funny to see a computer operating on a celeriac, a vegetable stable machine. Wonder though if a laptop could be powered with a potato made battery?
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Yeah... my reply was from my phone and it seems I missed OP's question at the end of the post entirely. (Slapping myself silly...)
Lubuntu is not "bad" it is just using a different desktop environment called LXDE. For me if surely does not have the same userfriendlinyness+prettinyness as XCFE + Whiskers menu.
(Menu it's not as configurable and desktop either).
LXDE is techically lighter than XFCE, but since it's only one part of the OS, having a new and updated Lubuntu and apps could easily take more ressource to run than a XFCE distro like Linux Lite, specially previous distros like 3.8 32bits or 2.8 32 bits.
There is also a Ubuntu distro using XFCE called Xubuntu, but, it is not has hip/cool/hot/great as the Linux Lite of the same generation.
As for the title question "Why would anyone use Lubuntu over Linux Lite?"... only reason I see is ressources. I personaly don't like it.
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Lubuntu uses less RAM more cpu about 128mb of ram
Linuxlite uses more RAM less cpu about 256mb of ram
So i use dualboot with lubuntu 16.04 and linux lite 3.8 on very old (15 or more years) computer. Have to because firefox crashes on LL with only 512m of ram because OS
not to drive users away from LL (because they can't use it) but if you want to use firefox consider making dualboot with lubuntu, but dont use newest version because RAM usage doupled in the few last versions so 14.04 (not supported) used about 1/4 of the ram that 18.04 use. I think 16.04 is the best for computer with (very) low RAM.
if you really want to have usable computer and you have less than 1,5gb of ram and less than two cpu cores the only way is upgrade your hardware.
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@minesheep
I'm not surprised Firefox crashes on only 512MB RAM on LL - it is a very resource-hungry browser - Chromium (popular amongst Linux users) will use about half the RAM of Firefox, and Midori even less memory. Qupzilla is an extremely lightweight alternative (not sure though if it uses HTML5). You could try Slimjet (very fast), though I don't use it as I don't like closed-source software. Try at least some of these out & you might solve the browser-crashing problem on LL ...
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@minesheep, perhaps I do not understand certain things, perhaps it is some kind of self imposed challenge being the disputed case, maybe it is for fun or a lifehack of some sort, but tell me, what is the problem with having 4GB of RAM? Modern web browsers are resource heavy, that is true, but why to also use a resource heavy web browser on an otherwise functional level system setup? If Lubuntu suggests heavyweight web browser, while recommending itself for older computers, it could be a misunderstanding.
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If someone x want to run firefox with 512mb of ram and firefox needs at least 384 mb RAM to work, then the OS and other software can have maximum 128mb of ram or it will not work.
If someone Y want to run some web browser with 512mb of ram the OS can have 512mb minus web_browser_ram_usage for an example if some web browser use half of the about 384 mb that is 192mb then it could run on LL that use about 256mb of ram because 192mb+256mb is less than 512mb.
Of course this means that both X and Y must have enough swap because this is the bare minimum.
Maybe Lubuntu uses firefox because Lubuntu developers won't like it to be known as "weird" because most windows users have sometimes used firefox and/or chrome but not other web browsers.
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@minesheep, I think it is either unnecessary or futile to worry too much about GNU/Linux world being called weird by the Windows users. Infact, it is weird and even if, so what?
For the Lubuntu, once gave it a brief look. Over the edge for me in what it does, as I wanted something feeling more modern. Maybe indeed it takes one to be attempting to use some old hardware, to be able to appreciate, but then, there are other functional level distributions as well. I know some of them do use alternative sets of utilities, as compared to what comes with the Linux Lite.
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@minesheep
I'm not surprised Firefox crashes on only 512MB RAM on LL - it is a very resource-hungry browser - Chromium (popular amongst Linux users) will use about half the RAM of Firefox, and Midori even less memory. Qupzilla is an extremely lightweight alternative (not sure though if it uses HTML5). You could try Slimjet (very fast), though I don't use it as I don't like closed-source software. Try at least some of these out & you might solve the browser-crashing problem on LL ...
I installed Palemoon browser a while back for my "low-ressource" install. Been using ever since to test stability which is pretty good so far (based on previous Firefox versions).
It's about 256MB usage (+some swap) for four tabs : Youtube playing, LinuxLite Forums ;) , Google search and Distrowatch.
Note : Used it in Windows too for a media streaming station, it's stable but didn't check ressource of this version.
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I tried Lubuntu once, as it was always the go-to lightweight distro that was recommended for old machines, but didn't stick with it for very long. Desktops - I found LXDE customization difficult, not as intuitive as XFCE. Also, it looks a bit 'clunky' - not as polished as Xfce. The support time of only for 3 years was also a turn-off, unlike 5 years for LL. In the end it was a no-brainer for me ...
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Competition is good, ideally speaking. We should cherish the successes of those who oppose us. In the end, who would wish to live in a world where nobody is really worth of the other? Solid competition is like high bank note. Who wants to be counted in specie? To be obsessed with victory, is yet another topic.
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There is a perfect Linux distro for everybody. Either settle with the one your systems totally likes and hopefully you like it to. Something you don't like you move on. Linux is all about preferences and freedom of choice.
Lubuntu is using LXDE and Linux Lite is using Xfce. Linux Lite has a nice looking setup as default goes. Not so much with Lubuntu. I wouldn't say Lubuntu is terrible. But, since your system think so. Then I see why you think that.
Things you didn't like about Lubuntu. There is always a way to tweak it to your liking. But, maybe not so much while using only 512MB RAM.
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Things you didn't like about Lubuntu. There is always a way to tweak it to your liking. But, maybe not so much while using only 512MB RAM.
To be honest, I do not get it. Basic quality RAM is not as expensive as one might think - or my perspective is biased. I can see ultralight distros to be used in emergency scenarios, when running on some heavily limited resources, but otherwise, what prevents one from using at least one gigabyte of RAM? I guess in the 21st century I am not being particularly an elitist when asking at least for 1GB of RAM, right?
I can see it to be a sports type of challenge, where developers would compete in making the lowest memory consuming distro of all time, nonetheless, at the end of the day, I believe we all roll back to what makes the best practical sense.
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The most LXDE I would install for "no0b" users would be Peppermint. It's an hybrid LXDE with XFCE Whiskers, etc. on top.
No where near as nice as Linux Lite of course, but I had a Pentium3 to manage with at the time ;) - Going on the web was... lets say... difficult. :-S
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Peppermint kinda reminds me of ChromeOS, basically it's a web browser and everything including the most-used apps are in the cloud instead of on the HDD. But it was plenty fast on a really old Celeron desktop with 512 RAM when I tried it (maybe 2 years ago now).
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Lubuntu and LXLE were very good and lightweight when I was playing with them. Super simple and fast. I didn't notice any difference in speed between Lubuntu and the very minimal Crunchbang Linux (now Bunsen Labs), which had no desktop environment at all, only a window manager.
Granted they don't have all the cool tools for newbies (and technophobes like me) and the interface had fewer cool features than Linux Lite, I don't think "distro bashing" has any proper place in any Linux forum. In most, it's absolutely forbidden. Linux Lite owes it's existence to other distros (Debian, Ubuntu) and FOSS projects big and small. They all deserve our respect and gratitude.
And I would say, if I were a Lubuntu fan:
Not happy with Lubuntu? You are entitled to a full refund of the purchase price!
A completely free operating system and people just complain about it publicly, which hurts us all, rather than quietly moving on. A weblog like mine is one thing, where opinions can be expressed and reviews shared, good, bad, and indifferent. But bashing another distro on one distro's forums is in poor taste IMO. If I were a Mod, I'd have closed this thread.
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Certainly the diversity of Linux distributions does serve a purpose and each particular distribution does take part in testing out what simply works best for the Linux movement enthusiasts, as well as how far certain configurations can be taken, while still maintaining usability.
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For the question of "why", simply because one chooses to, such as one chooses to go Linux over other systems, at least assuming of majority population on this forum.
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Like someone said in these forums it's all about choice. Finding the end-all Distro is impossible because parameters change.
You would't buy and big off-road truck when you need an small car for city use. Like most Linux distros for different tasks, it would "work" but the experience could be unpleasant.
On the reverse, using the small car off-road, could get you stuck... like a new Linux user on a not-so-user-friendly Distro.
The fun thing that is not applicable in this analogy though, is that all the cars/trucks are all the same price! Free ;)
In a way, I found OP's question valid in the same manner you could ask "Why would anyone use Jeep over Land Rover?" or any other "brand".
The first having 6 cup holders instead of 8 for the later could be a deal breaker for someone, somewhere.
Funny and true story, one of my boss didn't buy a brand of electric SUV just because it didn't have Apple car play in it. 1st world problems...
PS : I don't really care about cars other than for analogies btw ;) LoL
Also, I try to teach better text composition to the kids when speaking or writing. Like saying "I don't like brocoli" instead of "Brocoli tastes bad".
I usually do it myself but I'm far from perfect. I don't like free bashing on any subjects/persons. Well... except maybe a certain country's First President. (づ￣ ³￣)づ
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LUBUNTU IS LINUX HELL... LITTERALLY..
STAY AWAY FROM IT...IF YOU VALUE YOUR SANITY
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SCREAMING AGAIN! (Caps lock Off please)
Well, technically I would put the LXDE / LXQt desktop interfaces as the culprits here.
Lighter, but still quite "niche" audience.
Subject related... A request, with the XFCE/KDE talks, I would like to know what the "DE" popularity chart look like. Is there a respected one somewhere on the interweeb? You can also flame me and redirect my request to another thread. ;)
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From someone who uses Lubuntu,
1- support
2- everything just works from the iso. Unlike other Linux versions, that certain configurations aren't supported, any 5-10 year old hardware until today is directly supported by the OS.
If you have really old hardware, you should try 14.04 or 16.04, which have backwards compatibility with much older hardware.
3- compatibility. Lubuntu 18.04 just works for multi GPU systems needing fan or power control over the GPUs. More modern versions don't.
If you like the search option in the start bar, I'd recommend you to try out Lubuntu 19.04/19.10
They're in essence the same as Mint in functions.
As far as Lubuntu's CPU support, they quote a 1.4Ghz CPU, but I once did a test, and it works fine with a single core 1Ghz CPU. Once you go below this, you may run into boot errors, due to the timer expired on boot file loads. (Meaning certain files won't fully load at boot,causing errors when operating the OS).
A dual core cpu of 1Ghz works just fine.
Also, Lubuntu moved from lxdm to sddm since 18.10, and should support it in their LTS (20.04).
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Concerning your point 2...
Thats one of the reason I started using Linux Lite ;).
I use 3.x on older hardware, 4.x on newer.
If neither of these work, that's my cue for changing to newer hardware ;-)
Search is good, but have the program description "in your face" was what sold me to XFCE+Whiskers.
I played around with other "lighter" distros and put XFCE on them.. my personnal best was last summer, 132MB RAM upon booting.
Haven't tried on a Pentium 3 yet :-D
Also, I would take a 2x1000MHz CPU versus a 1x2000MHz anyday! lol
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@minesheep
I'm not surprised Firefox crashes on only 512MB RAM on LL - it is a very resource-hungry browser - Chromium (popular amongst Linux users) will use about half the RAM of Firefox, and Midori even less memory. Qupzilla is an extremely lightweight alternative (not sure though if it uses HTML5). You could try Slimjet (very fast), though I don't use it as I don't like closed-source software. Try at least some of these out & you might solve the browser-crashing problem on LL ...
I checked both Chromium & Firefox usage on my laptop running Linux Lite 4.8 & the difference was like around 10MB. Does Chromium use half the memory in your system?
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Hello,
Sorry to update this quite old topic !
I tried Lubuntu on an old HP with AMD Atlon 64 X2 4200 processor and 6 GB or RAM with a 120 GB SSD.
Lubuntu is easy to install, more or less as LL.
But using Lubuntu is a nightmare !
Small list of problems I got :
- File manager doesn't permit to access other drive easily
- Local language is not installed for all pieces of software (LibreOffice, Gimp, etc... stay in english and must be customized to get local language
- OpenVPN is not installed and you will get a real headache and spend some hours to get it working, it tooks only 2 minutes with LL !
- not easy to create a new item in the dashboard at the bottom of the screen
- I installed "Numlockx" but was unable to got displayed message telling me the satus of 'caps lock' or "numlock"
- 2 packages managers instead of synaptic
- software updates are longer compared to LL
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Maybe KDE will be the way of the future... (just to make thread start flaming... Trolololo! ;) )
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Yeah... I would only touch KDE with Jerry and the Linux Lite team's magic touch. ;)
I re-read the last few posts here.
Just a tought since I didn't check but NumlockX could be XFCE only? So... does not work in LXQt maybe...
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From what Paul74 said :
"- I installed "Numlockx" but was unable to got displayed message telling me the satus of 'caps lock' or "numlock""
I'm guessing it's to have a visual display popup when pressing numlock and capslock. Almost all manufacturers installed with Windows have this kind of little program.
HP, Lenovo, Dell to a lesser degree. Also come with logitech keyboards.
Free info. I did not know what XFCE standed for so I just checked : "XForms Common Environment" ...but does not use XForms anymore! ;)
Wow, KDE was for Kool Desktop Environnement, thats so... gnarly dude! LoL
Cheers!