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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2022, 09:07:49 AM »
 

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The review is dated December 2017.

5 years ago, version 2.x and 3.x would have been the current releases of Linux Lite, so the review was correct at the time it was written.

It looks like they've updated their download link to point to version 5.0, but left the old review on the description page.
 

Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2022, 04:39:42 AM »
 

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To the best of my knowledge, the last Linux Lite release for 32 bit architecture was LL version 3.8.  Since Linux Lite version 4.0 it has been 64 bit only, so I'd be interested to see where you read that 5.0 supported 32 bit.

First of all: Many, many thanks for this very valuable guideline ....

Before I take of and follow this procedure I would want to clear the question about Linux Lite 5.0 in 32 bit architecture, which resulted from:

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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2022, 06:44:44 AM »
 

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To the best of my knowledge, the last Linux Lite release for 32 bit architecture was LL version 3.8.  Since Linux Lite version 4.0 it has been 64 bit only, so I'd be interested to see where you read that 5.0 supported 32 bit.

The method I hinted at involves clearing existing partition data to leave you with a disk with some space assigned to an NTFS partition and the remainder spare for Linux.

Gparted is documented here.

https://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual&lang=de

Ensure you have a spare machine available to access the Internet while you are working on this in case of problems.

I think LL3.8 boot media has GPARTED included.  It might not be the latest, so some of the instructions may be a bit different.

Boot your legacy machine from your LL3.8 USB/CD to the live desktop.
Find and run GPARTED from the Live media.
It may be under "System" and be called "Partition Drives" or just type 'gparted' into the Menu search box.

When you run gparted you should see a representation of the disks on your system.

Ensure the 500G drive is selected from the pull down on the top right of the window.
You can click 'View' and tick 'Device Information' to help confirm which disk is selected.

The existing partitioning of the 500G drive will be represented as a number of rectangles which you can select individually.
You should see 3 partitions (5,6 and 7) within an extended partition (2) and a seperate primary partition (1).

Double check the correct disk is selected.
Right click on each of the 3 partitions (5,6,7) in turn.
From the right click pop-up select 'Delete' - this will add an entry to the 'Operation Pending' select.
Once you have operation pending to delete 5,6,7, click apply operations and allow it to work.
Right click on the extended partition and select 'Delete'.
Click apply operation.

If this works you should be left with partition 1 which is 117G but still Linux at this point.
This will be where you put XP, but needs to be NTFS so that Windows can use it.
Right click on partition 1
Select 'Format to' and choose NTFS.
Apply the operation.

At this point you should have 1 NTFS partition of 107G.
Right click on it once more and select 'Manage Flags'
Ensure the Boot Flag is set and apply operation if you need to.

Shutdown, then reboot with the XP Bootable disk and install it to the 107G partition.
Test it
Boot your chosen 32 bit Linux install media. I hope that the install will detect XP exists and allow the Linux to install alongside XP.

Any questions, just ask.
 

Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2022, 05:44:32 AM »
 

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No sir, Linux Lite series 5 is NOT available in a 32-bit system. But there are 32-bit Linux OSes still around. I use one to keep an ancient Dell Dimension (32-bits, 512 RAM, Celeron processor - basically one step up from an abacus) running better than when it was brand new and running WindowsXP. The one I use is called Salix, but it is definitely not for beginners (yet). For beginners and non-techy type users like me, MX-Linux offers a 32-bit operating system (Debian based) that is quite suitable for newcomers, technophobes, and grandpas. It offers many of the cool tools that we enjoy in Linux Lite.


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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2022, 04:01:51 AM »
 

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Hi Stevef :045:

"scattered SSD recollect": I am not bothered for any data loss (all exists on a NAS).
I was calling it scattered sine I see several partitions and honestly I lost track of which was what.

You are right I am planning on putting XP back the one or the other way to run some test and ancient software.

Recently I read that LL is available in ver 5.0 for 32 bit, maybe this is wise to go for?

Otherwise "recollect" I would want to join the "scattered" partitions back into 2 (~1x 100G NTFS for XP and the remaining 3xx G for Linux).

I understood that using GPARTED (how to ??, pls advise some read pages) will probably help to prepare the SSD for the install

I am mainly asking because I want to get the sequence right??:
1) Run GPARTED
2) Install XP
3) Install Linux

or is this wrong ??

as said I am a Compute Grandpa and not among the fastest anymore
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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2022, 01:58:58 PM »
 

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No need to apologise - I still have a Windows98 machine.

For your old hardware, there are still several Linux distributions with on going support for 32-bit architecture.
Search for "32 bit linux" and check some of the articles.  The itsfoss article looks a good place to start.

I don't understand "scattered SSD recollect".  If you mean your existing partitioning, then I don't know if there is anything you can salvage from them.  If you have data on the bootable Linux Lite 3.8 then you need to save this to a safe place before doing anything.  If you need to check for data on the other Linux partitions, then you should be able to mount these from the bootable OS.  Let us know if this doesn't make sense.

I think your XP data is probably lost - maybe forensic techniques might find something but I don't know.

After saving what data you can, use a disk partitioning tool (like gparted) booted from a CD/USB to clear the existing partitions.

If your intention is to re-install XP, use gparted to create an NTFS partition leaving the rest of the disk unallocated.  100G would be plenty for the NTFS though the actual choice of size is yours.  Boot from your bootable XP installation media and follow the instructions allowing it to install into the NTFS partition.

Once that's done and tested, install your chosen 32 bit Linux to the remaining 400G, following the 'dual boot' instructions that come with it.

If your intention is just to install your 32 bit Linux (without dual booting) then you can probably allow the chosen Linux to do all the partitioning.
 

Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2022, 05:17:17 AM »
 

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 :imsorry and I do agree.
I do not mind to make this old Laptop a Linux-only machine since I hate to waste old hardware ...
However I am still seeking advice on what to look at and how to do (e.g. the scattered SSD recollect, which Linux to install).
I believe another option was to run XP in a virtual machine next .... ?? I saw that LL is available in 5.0 and 32 bit ??
Even a point me to the right forum pages will be appreciated.
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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2022, 10:00:44 AM »
 

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Gunter,
You really should consider doing something safer.  Both XP and LL 3.8 are unsupported and should not be used - certainly not connected to the internet.

Installing old software from original media means the system would have widely known vulnerabilities which got patched during support lifetime.   There are some suggestions on the internet that XP updates (up to 2014) are still possible but who knows if the download sources are legitimate ?

 

Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2022, 06:37:36 AM »
 

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Dear All, thanks a lot for the replies ....
I am now clear that only a rebuild from scratch will probably solve my issue.
However I am still looking for advice on how to do so (e.g. recollect the scattered partitions)
and off coarse on how to handle this forum (e.g. continue a post, ask questions ...)
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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2022, 09:16:14 AM »
 

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I think the disk is 500GB, not 1TB.  The fdisk numbers add up to 465.7 GB which would reflect the original post which says 500GB.

You're right! :)
I added up twice the size of the Extended partition. I got used to GPT lately and it seems I forgot the times when I used MSDOS Extended... :o

The real size, is: 117 + 348,7 = 465,7 GB = 476,876.8 MB = raughly, 500 GB. In fact, 480 GB.

/dev/sda1  *                                      117G  83 Linux
/dev/sda2                                       348.7G   5  Extended

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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2022, 09:04:45 AM »
 

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Read entirely this chapter, at least three times:

https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/install.html

After reading this, write down (on paper!) all partitions you need:  type (ext2, ext4...), size in MB, destination (/ - Root, SWAP, /home, etc) and the name (mountpoint, like /home or /mydata), like in the fdisk output (/dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc.).
From this output, I can deduce that you have a 1 TB drive.
This translates into this:
1,000,000,000,000 bytes / 1024 = 976,562,500 KB;
976,562,500 KB / 1024 = 953,674.31 MB. <--- This is the value you need to use when partitioning
This translates into 931,32 GB and 0.909 TB.

You also need to create a NTFS partition in order to be able to install and run Windows alongside Linux.


I think the disk is 500GB, not 1TB.  The fdisk numbers add up to 465.7 GB which would reflect the original post which says 500GB.
 

Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2022, 08:53:03 AM »
 

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It appears the extended partition sda2 is subdivided into 3 logical partitions (sda5, sda6 and sda7) giving 500GB.
These are all linux, so I also think the XP partition has been overwritten by one of the LL re-installations.

This is confirmed by the os-prober report and GRUB only finding Linux Lite OS.

Unless you have a system (and data) backup taken before your problems started then I think you will need to re-install from scratch.

Good luck.

 

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2022, 08:23:17 AM »
 

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[...]Device        Boot Start End Sectors Size       ID Type
/dev/sda1  *                                      117G  83 Linux
/dev/sda2                                       348.7G   5  Extended
[...]

Read articles about partitioning, then read again the output.
This partitioning scheme, seems to be an automated partiton, made with the option "Use entire drive".
The "Extended" label, is just a marker that tells the system that from cylinder X to cylinder Y are the boundaries of a primary partition that has inside LOGICAL partitions.
So, on the entire drive, there are only Linux partitions. Windows has entirely gone.

[...]
What does this tell me ?? sda2 = windows ??
[...]

See above.
One thing that this tells you, is that the type of partitioning is MSDOS, which means that the firmware of your machine, is BIOS.
The other, is that this partition, is the container for the LOGICAL DRIVES.
Since all drives are formatted with extfs, the only OS that can be installed is Linux.
For Windows/Linux, you need a different partitioning scheme and a different procedure for installing both OSes.
Takes too long to explain step by step.

Read entirely this chapter, at least three times:

https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/install.html

After reading this, write down (on paper!) all partitions you need:  type (ext2, ext4...), size in MB, destination (/ - Root, SWAP, /home, etc) and the name (mountpoint, like /home or /mydata), like in the fdisk output (/dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc.).
From this output, I can deduce that you have a 1 TB drive.
This translates into this:
1,000,000,000,000 bytes / 1024 = 976,562,500 KB;
976,562,500 KB / 1024 = 953,674.31 MB. <--- This is the value you need to use when partitioning
This translates into 931,32 GB and 0.909 TB.

You also need to create a NTFS partition in order to be able to install and run Windows alongside Linux.
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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2022, 06:08:15 AM »
 

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Hello stevef

sudo fdisk -l

is telling me:
Device        Boot Start End Sectors Size       ID Type
/dev/sda1  *                                      117G  83 Linux
/dev/sda2                                       348.7G   5  Extended
/dev/sda5                                              2G  82 Linux Swap /Solaris
/dev/sda6                                          230G  83 Linux
/dev/sda7                                       116.8G  83 Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order.

What does this tell me ?? sda2 = windows ??
And if yes, how would I boot this ??

Backup exist (of the data) so there would be nothing lost.
And thanks for the EOL advice ....
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Re: Linux Lite Grub Dual Boot Windows XP
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Gunter,

Both XP and Linux Lite 3.x are past end of life, so there may be problems getting support.  From your description, it seems the damage was done during one of the installs.

Do you have any system backups ?  This may be the best chance of recovery.

In your position, I'd begin by booting the linux OS, opening a terminal and running

Code: [Select]
sudo fdisk -l
Check for a Microsoft partition which may be the XP installation.
 

 

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