(07-28-2017, 04:02 PM)Jerry link Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing wrong with BIOS. If it ain't broke... UEFI is an unecessary imposition on people. The benefits of UEFI are trivial. Legacy BIOS does exactly what it is supposed to do. /end-imo
Jerry, you're a heck of a lot smarter than I am so I'll just take your word for it that BIOS is fine. Only problem is that I happen to have a mobo that has UEFI. I'm not going to buy another mobo (even if I had the money, which I don't) just to use LL even though I think LL is great.
I hope you'll reconsider your choice in the future but if you don't, at least I can run LL on my laptop.
I'd encourage everyone to look past convenience in regards to UEFI in the pursuit of taking at the very least, a balanced view of the issue of the implementation of it. There are ethics involved in nearly every topic. Explore and develop a more thorough understanding of UEFI and people will respect you more and view you as a fair and balanced person.
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This goes for all things in life. Explore both sides of a given topic, then form a view from an ethical, humanitarian perspective. Then disseminate this information. Do your part to help others evolve. I see even in our time, the devolution of our species. We have to fight that.
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@ Monkeyman,
I just posted instructions for someone else with similar question to yours. If your computer firmware allows for changing modes from UEFI to Legacy/CSM, then you can keep Windows installed in UEFI mode and install LL in Legacy mode. When done, you boot to OS of choice by changing boot modes instead of from grub menu choices.
See here for fuller explanation.
1) A basic GNU C compiler cannot install the depth of active applications into an ESP that an OEM C++ compiler from Intel or AMD can.
2) Do it youself? I think not especially when a single license can run you $2000.
3) OEM tracking can now be placed in a machine beyond the reach of your Linux system. AMD has already done this, and I doubt that Intel is far behind, and when they cross that bridge computing privacy will be utterly dead on their new machines, even running Debian.
4) EFI is a circumvention that could have been done in a much simpler way. Pretty obvious, given the length of develpment time, that MS, Intel, and AMD had a plan for the future all along.
5) Certainly OEMs are going to appease the Linux community with functionality, that is UEFI is going to work better and better with Linux systems as it continues down its developmental curve, but you can be sure that inaccessible to GNU tracking mechnisms are going to become more sophisticated as well.
What do we need? A miracle. An OEM hardware builder of Linux only computers.
TC
goldfinger... rEFInd does this very well, and has contingencies for firmware quirks.
TC
As I noted before a CPU sourced to code from a GNU compiler. I wish them well, but some things are fallacious in their claims, and a bit over-exaggerated as "security" claims always are. Why bother with a Debian respin (PureOS) other than for marketing their OS above Debian which is a silly claim. The issue with OEM security is not going to go away. That extra partition can hold as many tracking applications as OEMs want to write, all in inaccessible code. We have a better chance of getting a law against it the US, but worldwide the game is not winnable.
TC
Quote:goldfinger... rEFInd does this very well, and has contingencies for firmware quirks.
Thanks for the reminder -- for some reason I always seem to forget about that option.
(07-29-2017, 09:34 PM)trinidad link Wrote: [ -> ]As I noted before a CPU sourced to code from a GNU compiler. I wish them well, but some things are fallacious in their claims, and a bit over-exaggerated as "security" claims always are. Why bother with a Debian respin (PureOS) other than for marketing their OS above Debian which is a silly claim. The issue with OEM security is not going to go away. That extra partition can hold as many tracking applications as OEMs want to write, all in inaccessible code. We have a better chance of getting a law against it the US, but worldwide the game is not winnable.
TC
Very true security claims are often like fairy tales, and can make for some fun reading.
Biggest surprise recently I read of was windows 10 file sharing of users infos, wonder if the isp's will start capping them lol. It gave me the giggles when I read it thinking it would be so fun if when people boot windows it produces one of those screens from their ISP stating, "blocked for illegal file sharing". It would be legendary.